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Digital modes on HF... love it or hate it.

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NJQA:
Don’t get me wrong - I think what K1JT has done with weak signal detection is amazing.  His work with EME software has made moonbounce possible for small footprint stations.  Ditto his meteor scatter SW.

I have no problem with his weak signal algorithms.  My problem has been with automation of the QSO process.  His implementation has the operators involvement being nothing more than clicking a button to log the QSO...and modified code is available that allows you to run in full robot mode.  I saw one of Joe Taylor’s presentations where he had a slide of suspected “robot” stations (based upon the fact that they ran 24/7), and I have seen the robot SW for sale on eBay.  The days of fully automated stations working each other have already started. 

If you ever find a first edition (circa 1983) copy of W9KNI’s book “The Complete DXer”, it is worth reading.  He has stories in it of tuning through the bands searching for DX, and puzzling out the rare and not so rare stuff.  It took some skill to find and work a rare one back then, and it was very rewarding when you were successful.  Today, with DX spotting networks, etc it is much more like shooting fish in a barrel. Now full automation has removed the last vestige of necessary operator skill. 

Maybe this explains some of the renewed interest in learning CW.  Maybe these are operators that are seeking some of the satisfaction you find in doing something difficult and succeeding...

Its like I said before: People don’t value things that come too easily.

WA4FHY:

--- Quote --- ...home stations were parked on the FT8 frequency and had stopped scanning the bands.
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My observation in the past few VHF / UHF contests, including the one a couple of weekends ago,
is just like what NJQA said above. I could hear a lot of stations on 50.313 but little, if any,
activity in the phone and cw portions of the band. Monitoring 50.313 for FT8 is a good propagation
tool but, personally, I don't care for the automated contacts.

JS8Call might be an improvement but I haven't played with it beyond installing the s/w. I understand that
it is more keyboard to keyboard, like the good ol' days of RTTY! :)

Josh:
On  like note, the HAM repeater traffic I hear is always the same few people who know each other locally, not newcomers or even people driving past the area - however that does happen. I suppose this is to be expected among friends. So, if people don't have anything to say or anyone they actually want to talk to, we might rationally expect more digital modes where pc talks to pc in the future. I like them in the sense I get to see how far away my peanut whistle can be heard, but they're hardly a qso mode.

There is/was a crew who ran 300 baud packet, kb to kb, on 20m who welcomed newcomers. Well, at least there was, dunno if they still play there or not. Packet on hf is neat because it's not supposed to work there but it does. Also on a like (BFSK) note, there are guys who will ragchew on rtty, just gatta catch them.

NJQA:

--- Quote from: Josh on January 25, 2020, 2120 UTC ---On  like note, the HAM repeater traffic I hear is always the same few people who know each other locally, not newcomers or even people driving past the area - however that does happen. I suppose this is to be expected among friends.
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Many clubs, repeaters, or nets are not welcoming of newcomers.  I don’t think they are necessarily hostile, they just don’t take that extra step of creating a welcoming, fun atmosphere that makes people want to be there.  I am as guilty as the next guy of only talking to my friends and ignoring others.

The local club here has a reputation of being a fun place to be and we have a lot of new blood.  It wasn’t always that way - no one said a word to me the first meeting I went to years ago.  Today we have one guy who goes out of his way to greet all newcomers - whether on the repeater or at the meetings.  It’s not an “official” job...it is just his nature.  Another club I was once a member of was in an area with a transient population.  They went so far as to station a couple of guys near the front door to look for new faces and welcome them to the meeting.

It’s funny how a single individual can be the catalyst that makes a club successful...or a poison pill that drives people away.

Matt285:
Im going a bit off course based on the original topic, but yes. A lot of hams are very 'Clicky'I have noticed that most people are using the newer long range machines to keep up with friends up North. Nothing wrong with that, but people should be more welcoming. I talk with friends on repeaters, but I always pause to ask if anyone would like to join the QSO. Another bad experience I had was going to my first field day. Mostly a bunch of angry old men that acted completely miserable the whole time. I also remember an Italian man that had an amazing fist, but acted like a total diva. He was making demands left and right. Even requesting multiple times that someone move a fan ever so slightly to blow just the right breeze on him. And they went along with it. Needless to say I never went back. My house is much more comfortable.   

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