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General Category => General Radio Discussion => Topic started by: RCCI on February 26, 2015, 0240 UTC

Title: FCC's Plan to regulate the Internet - Net Neutrality
Post by: RCCI on February 26, 2015, 0240 UTC: There are a number of news stories about the upcoming vote (tomorrow) regarding this.

Here are some news links:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/25/locked-and-loaded-fcc-primed-for-vote-on-internet-regs-amid-11th-hour-drama/

http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/23/the-fccs-predictable-fiasco-of-internet-utility-regulation/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/02/24/fcc-net-neutrality-vote-approaches/23967075/
Title: Re: FCC's Plan to regulate the Internet - Net Neutrality
Post by: sat_dxer on February 26, 2015, 1426 UTC: Rising costs in more taxes and fees will force many back to dial up service >:(
Title: Re: FCC's Plan to regulate the Internet - Net Neutrality
Post by: Mentholyptus on February 26, 2015, 2007 UTC: Well, the FCC got their way today! Kiss net freedom goodbye :^(
What's that gonna mean for sites like HFU, which "encourage" illegal activity??
Title: Re: FCC's Plan to regulate the Internet - Net Neutrality
Post by: Bergante on February 26, 2015, 2156 UTC: What is net freedom? Allowing de facto monopolies to charge twice for the same service? Some want to charge the user for Internet access, while charging the service providers for "transport to the customer".

Some cable providers would love to turn the Internet into a private BBS of sorts, where their customers wouldn't have any choice and the entry barriers for potential new competitors would be impossible to overcome.

The FCC is right. And, disclosure, I work for an ISP.
Title: Re: FCC's Plan to regulate the Internet - Net Neutrality
Post by: Skipmuck on February 26, 2015, 2321 UTC: I sincerely believe that anyone who thinks that allowing cable companies and ISP providers to regulate themselves on behalf of the American public are damn fools. I'm not the biggest fan of the FCC but the internet IS A PUBLIC UTILITY by every conceivable definition of the term. There is no plausible argument against the fact. This has absolutely nothing to do with "innovators" or "job creators" (typical political spin)....only the hundred plus million consumers who use the internet day in and day out for a myriad of different reasons. Have you already forgotten how the electromagnetic spectrum was chopped up like diced ham for the interests of the cellular industry? Seriously, anyone who thinks that this is a case of government intrusion needs to rethink their reasons for opposing net neutrality. Yeah, I'd like to look at that mystery plan that hasn't been released to the public also, but I betcha if the FCC gets to implement the plan, they will more than likely not do much regulating of the internet....most likely they will be keeping an eye out for disingenuous cable and ISP providers and their attempts to insure that "investors" fill their pockets at our expense.
Title: Re: FCC's Plan to regulate the Internet - Net Neutrality
Post by: redhat on February 27, 2015, 0617 UTC: I for one am for net neutrality, but I fear that, as everything the government touches, something will get lost in translation. Think of all the bills the house and senate look at and pass every year. In most cases, the eventual law, by the time it winds its way through the bureaucracy in DC, is either so full of holes and earmarks as to be ineffective, or so distorted that it bears little resemblance to its original intent.

Lets be clear boys, a lot is at stake (Pointing to DC)

+-RH
Title: Re: FCC's Plan to regulate the Internet - Net Neutrality
Post by: BoomboxDX on February 27, 2015, 1505 UTC: I think there's little the FCC could do to limit what's actually broadcast on the internet, for First Amendment reasons.

Congress already has a law in place that protects ISP's from speech made by third parties. I think that would still hold.

Any attempt at limiting speech would undoubtedly end up at the Supreme Court.
Title: Re: FCC's Plan to regulate the Internet - Net Neutrality
Post by: Skipmuck on February 27, 2015, 2328 UTC: Lest someone get the idea that I am a hostile, opinionated, and contentious indivividual seeking to subvert the American Dream (I am somewhat opinionated :)), read for yourself the following news releases from the FCC Daily Digest posted today. Also included is the dissenting opinion of FCC Commissioner Ajit Varadaraj Pai which was also released today. Judge for yourself while keeping in mind that Ajit Pai was appointed by Barack Obama upon the recommendation of Republican Mitch McConnell. Mr. Pai was formerly a lawyer for Verizon Communications. Judge for yourself....

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Digest/2015/dd150227.html

THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWEIGH THE NEEDS OF THE FEW
Title: Re: FCC's Plan to regulate the Internet - Net Neutrality
Post by: Nella F. on February 28, 2015, 0011 UTC: Quote from: Skipmuck on February 27, 2015, 2328 UTC
THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWEIGH THE NEEDS OF THE FEW

The lust of the few will destroy all.
:(
Title: Re: FCC's Plan to regulate the Internet - Net Neutrality
Post by: redhat on March 01, 2015, 0521 UTC: Lets also keep in mind that most of the people in DC view the constitution as a mere inconvenience to the their ambitions. This administration has proven that time and time again.

+-RH
Title: Re: FCC's Plan to regulate the Internet - Net Neutrality
Post by: Skipmuck on March 01, 2015, 1413 UTC: Agreed Red Hat! This whole subject is far from achieving anything remotely akin to closure. My argument is that net neutrality protects the interests of the overwhelming majority of internet users. It is not just another golden goose for CEO's and investors to reap huge profits at the expense of the people who depend on efficient and quality service at a reasonable price. That it can be abused by our political leaders is certainly looming large in the big picture. That it can be abused by the very businesses that provide us with service has been somewhat abated. Is this a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire? May very well be. It is up to the voters to elect those who represent our interests. This ethos seems to have broken down to a large degree with the polarization of our elected officials into a gridlock situation that increasingly leads me to believe we need another grass roots movement. Not one that drinks tea nor one whose platform is to bring Wall Street to it's knees. I'm sick and tired of the extremists on both sides of the fence. Is there anybody that truly speaks for the citizens in the middle? I've been looking but I haven't found them yet. But I agree wholeheartedly that we need to hold our political leaders accountable for their actions...the internet needs to remain transparent and controlled by the users inasmuch as this can be done in the real world. I don't see much of a difference between the current administration and the previous ones. It's a case of Allemande Left or Promenade Right....but they all do the dance...
Title: Re: FCC's Plan to regulate the Internet - Net Neutrality
Post by: redhat on March 02, 2015, 0320 UTC: Sadly, I agree. Behind closed doors, there are no party lines. It's all about who lined your pockets.

Like the 6 month old casserole in the fridge, lets throw 'em all out and start over. It's about the only way the common man in this country will ever get any service.

+-RH
Title: Re: FCC's Plan to regulate the Internet - Net Neutrality
Post by: John Poet on March 10, 2015, 2240 UTC: The FCC now regulating internet service providers can only be GOOD for PIRATE RADIO!

Why? It gives them more to do, without any additional resources.

Ought to move shortwave radio enforcement down another notch on their list of priorities.

And yeah--- "net neutrality" is only what we've had up until now.
Title: Re: FCC's Plan to regulate the Internet - Net Neutrality
Post by: Fansome on March 10, 2015, 2350 UTC: I for one welcome our new FCC overlords.
Title: Re: FCC's Plan to regulate the Internet - Net Neutrality
Post by: Skipmuck on March 13, 2015, 2329 UTC: Today's (3-13-15) release appears to be a clarification of what the new rules do and what they don't. Interesting reading....

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/DOC-332486A1.pdf
Title: Re: FCC's Plan to regulate the Internet - Net Neutrality
Post by: Pigmeat on June 05, 2022, 0055 UTC: Quote from: Fansome on March 10, 2015, 2350 UTC
I for one welcome our new FCC overlords.

Classic Fansome. Our leader was always welcoming some new pack of overlords. The recent news about four types of hostile alien civilizations possibly being in our galaxy wouldn't have shook him one bit.