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Technical Topics => Equipment => Topic started by: Edgar Souse on September 24, 2023, 0008 UTC

Title: Kiwi, WebSDR availability or alternatives?
Post by: Edgar Souse on September 24, 2023, 0008 UTC
I've toyed with the idea of occasionally setting up an online SDR. Had my eyes on a Kiwi, but I never got one due to needing a wired internet connection (I could do it, but would really prefer wifi). It's now discontinued and the Kiwi 2 may be a while before it comes out. I'm not sure if I could setup a WebSDR with my RSP2, or what the requirements are. Are there any alternatives? I know that SDRConnect and (I think) console have a server option but I like the idea of being to connect with a simple web browser on any device.
Title: Re: Kiwi, WebSDR availability or alternatives?
Post by: RobRich on September 24, 2023, 0454 UTC
The software side of the KiwiSDR is basically OpenWebRX. More info:

https://github.com/jketterl/openwebrx/wiki/Setup-Guide

Here is more modern fork:

https://github.com/luarvique/ppa

There are packages for Debian and Ubuntu, plus docker images, RPi images, etc.

Various and even multliple concurrent SDRs are supported; within the limits of hardware and drivers of course.

The RSP2 is rated for up to ~10MHz of bandwidth, so you should be able to cover multiple MW/HF bands. For example say from MW BCB up to the 30m amatuer band. That said, AFAIK, plan on running OpenWebRX+ on a x86 system instead of RPi if trying to simultaneously do such high per-device RF sampling rates, multiple users, and digital decoding support.

I have a virtualized install of OpenWebRX+ on a Linux x86 system here, but I have not delved much into the setup config at this time. IIRC, I did test it briefly with a MSI SDR, which is a RSP1 clone, to verify basic operation.
Title: Re: Kiwi, WebSDR availability or alternatives?
Post by: Edgar Souse on September 24, 2023, 1631 UTC
Ah, interesting. Thanks for this. Looks like I will need Linux or RPi for it. I have limited experience with Linux and none with Pi, though I don't think that is a huge barrier.

I can only guess for WebSDR there is no repository or place to download software. From what I've read it sounds like you have to get it from PA3FWM
Title: Re: Kiwi, WebSDR availability or alternatives?
Post by: RobRich on September 24, 2023, 2250 UTC
AFAIK, yeah, you have to contact the WebSDR dev for the software.

While there lots of different ways to go about the process, you could install VirtualBox and virtiualize a Linux install on your existing Windows or Mac system. If you run into a major prob, you can reinstall or (if enabled) just rollback the virtualized snapshot. VirtualBox supports passing USB devices, so your RSP2 should work okay.

I use Kubuntu these days, but for starting out with SDR on Linux, you might be interested in checking out DragonOS. It is a Lubuntu-based distribution for radio enthusiasts. AFAIK, the older original OpenWebRX software is already included, though you might still need to install the SDRplay API.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/dragonos-focal/

Also if interested, there are various YouTube videos about DragonOS, OpenWebRX, etc. The DragonOS maintainer has many here:

https://cemaxecuter.com/?page_id=115
Title: Re: Kiwi, WebSDR availability or alternatives?
Post by: Edgar Souse on September 25, 2023, 0019 UTC
DragonOS looks interesting it really includes a lot! Guess I could do a lot more with SDR and get better with Linux. Actually this looks like a possibly perfect solution and an entirely new rabbit hole for me to jump down!  I had an old laptop with a VM running Xubuntu that I played with for a while, but it was lost in an apartment flood. As I recall it was pretty easy to setup and was stable.