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General Category => General Radio Discussion => Topic started by: draadloos on September 12, 2009, 2242 UTC

Title: Horizontal or Vertical Polarization?
Post by: draadloos on September 12, 2009, 2242 UTC
What's the best to transmit to you folks in the lower 48?
A Horizontal or Vertically polarized signal?

(New to this)
Title: Re: Horizontal or Vertical Polarization?
Post by: draadloos on September 13, 2009, 2234 UTC
Thanks Ragnar, you'll be hearing from me ...  ;D
Title: Re: Horizontal or Vertical Polarization?
Post by: Ragnar on September 14, 2009, 0034 UTC
Hey I got a listener!

You know of course- dipoles are some what directional, with the signal transmitting at right angles to the wire.  I have read that receiving is better parallel to the wire but I have found  this to be less true in practice.
Be listening for you.

RD
Title: Re: Horizontal or Vertical Polarization?
Post by: draadloos on September 14, 2009, 1556 UTC
Specifically,  I want to try an antenna design of mine I call a framed Yagi.
It would be hell of impractical usually because it has to be suspended between to points (hills in my case)
and as such can not be rotated.  However, because of my location (Tundra) all the DX'ers are south of me
so I have no need to rotate.

The Antenna is simple enough, two non-conductive rods run the length  and the reflector, directors and driven element are attached between. This is super cheep to build but tricky to setup, and since it will be cut for 6.925Mhz it will be big (around 22 meters squared). I've had success with this design on the 2 and 6 Meter Ham bands, I just wanted to know if I should set it up flat or vert for you folks south.


Thanks again Ragnar, I've been listening for a while and it was a thrill to hear my question on your podcast.

Title: Re: Horizontal or Vertical Polarization?
Post by: RF BURNZ on November 01, 2009, 0933 UTC
I'd go flat, as you are going to need the ionisphere to hit the lower 48.  Figure at 6925 that you get roughly 300-miles a bounce :o and when conditions are super good, 600.  Vertical gets eaten up with noise, QRM and everything you can think of ::), plus you need a good ground plane if you intend to do vertical.  Wouldn't hurt with the horizontal either but most definitely for the Vertical.  Plus for a structure as big as you describe, you need Belden 9913 or something similar to feed and some big-time power. 

Post your design, if you don't mind, would love to see it! :D
Title: Re: Horizontal or Vertical Polarization?
Post by: Tube Shortwave on November 02, 2009, 0141 UTC
What you are proposing sounds a lot like the TCI 527 wire log periodic antenna.

http://www.tcibr.com/?PageID=203

I have used the TCI antennas, they are amazing, and really hold up over the years.  Performance is outstanding!
Title: Re: Horizontal or Vertical Polarization?
Post by: cmradio on November 02, 2009, 0441 UTC
A 3-element, 40M ham antenna may be a wee more practical though.

Peace!
Title: Re: Horizontal or Vertical Polarization?
Post by: Tube Shortwave on November 05, 2009, 1435 UTC
But, if you don't need to turn it, the wire log periodic is a lot cheaper and will stand up to wind and weather a lot longer.  Besides, they look so dang cool.
Title: Re: Horizontal or Vertical Polarization?
Post by: cmradio on November 06, 2009, 0103 UTC
...and will stand up to wind and weather a lot longer.

THAT is a big plus in an antenna on the tundra.

(they do look cool. CFB Aldergrove had a few 3-12 meggers up when they were a relay station to NZ)

Peace!
Title: Re: Horizontal or Vertical Polarization?
Post by: draadloos on November 08, 2009, 0427 UTC
That's a cool antenna TS, thanks for the link
I need to stay low profile on this as the Hams around here are very Fascistic.
I dont plan to leave the antenna up when I'm not transmitting.
Thanks for the info Mr. Burnz, makes good sense.
I'll post my designs ASAP.

P.S. I'm planning to use a free-banded FT-897, but I'm wondering if transmitting
for 30-min without pauses will fry it.  Any thoughts?

 
Title: Re: Horizontal or Vertical Polarization?
Post by: Tube Shortwave on November 09, 2009, 0037 UTC
If you need stealth, think about wire dipoles instead of any kind of directional antennas.