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Technical Topics => Equipment => Topic started by: ChrisSmolinski on November 28, 2017, 1926 UTC

Title: Crossed Parallel Loop Antenna
Post by: ChrisSmolinski on November 28, 2017, 1926 UTC
My latest antenna, construction details here: http://www.radiohobbyist.org/blog/?p=2340 (http://www.radiohobbyist.org/blog/?p=2340)

(https://i.imgur.com/gs3YUxS.jpg)
Title: Re: Crossed Parallel Loop Antenna
Post by: ChrisSmolinski on December 04, 2017, 1319 UTC
A short update.  I've been getting really nice results with this antenna. It does a great job on the LW and lower end of the MW band, where the sky loop is too short (even though it is 670 ft in perimeter). Also seems to do better on the higher end of HF, where the sky loop might be too many wavelengths long.

I asked LZ1AQ, who made the amplifier I use and came up with this antenna design, if putting a second set of loops in parallel would provide any significant improvement. He estimated perhaps a 10% increase in signal, and no improvement in signal to noise ratio, and said it was not worth doing. Sounds good to me!
Title: Re: Crossed Parallel Loop Antenna
Post by: Finman on December 04, 2017, 1801 UTC
Nice looking loop there Chris!. Can you rotate it remotely?
Title: Re: Crossed Parallel Loop Antenna
Post by: ChrisSmolinski on December 04, 2017, 1822 UTC
Yes I can, although I have no feedback as to the orientation, I can just rotate it CW and CCW. And hope I remember how far I have done so in each direction, so I don't wrap coax around the mast.
Title: Re: Crossed Parallel Loop Antenna
Post by: Josh on December 04, 2017, 1840 UTC
The antenna itself reminds me of a fractal.
Title: Re: Crossed Parallel Loop Antenna
Post by: ChrisSmolinski on April 22, 2018, 1202 UTC
Springtime antenna projects continue... I elevated the crossed parallel loop antenna. There's a lawn chair in the picture for scale. Not visible is the rope from the top of the antenna, over a tree branch, taking most of the weight. It is not on a rotor, the primary use of this antenna is for listening to the upper half of HF, where it is not particularly directional.

(https://i.imgur.com/x3G04QF.jpg)
Title: Re: Crossed Parallel Loop Antenna
Post by: Josh on April 22, 2018, 1643 UTC
Paint it olive drab and hoik it into a tree and no one would know it was there.

:D
Title: Re: Crossed Parallel Loop Antenna
Post by: IQ_imbalance on April 22, 2018, 2321 UTC
Would it work stuck up against the side of a building, I wonder?
Title: Re: Crossed Parallel Loop Antenna
Post by: ChrisSmolinski on April 23, 2018, 1154 UTC
Would it work stuck up against the side of a building, I wonder?

Probably not very well. In addition to the wall blocking signals, you'll pick up all the RFI generated inside the building.
Title: Re: Crossed Parallel Loop Antenna
Post by: ChrisSmolinski on April 29, 2018, 2006 UTC
I'm using my hamfest find, a rotor, to make the crossed parallel loop rotatable. I find that it is indeed directional.

On MW, I can get 20 to 25 dB nulls, sometimes 30 dB.

On HF, I can get 10 dB or so, on CHU and CFRX. I'll need to try some other stations. Tough to null the HF skywave when your loop elevation angle is fixed. I do have a linear actuator stashed in the basement, which in theory I could use to rotate the loop on that axis. I wonder how much more of a null that would give me (and how stable it would be as the ionosphere does its dance).
Title: Re: Crossed Parallel Loop Antenna
Post by: Josh on April 30, 2018, 1656 UTC
Any way to feed it so it is more vertically polarised? That would reduce the skywave component and allow for more accurate df work. Such as, a loop fed in the middle top or bottom will be h, a square loop fed in a corner should be v.