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Dipole vs Vertical: Which Antenna is Better?
« on: November 16, 2023, 2009 UTC »
I guess that this can go here.   https://www.onallbands.com/dipole-vs-vertical%EF%BB%BF-which-antenna-is-better/   Tim, K8RRT shared that. Me??? I've done the best of both worlds, Vertical Dipoles.
I must be getting older. Now, when I watch a 007 James Bond flick, Ms. Moneypenny is even looking more attractive.

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Re: Dipole vs Vertical: Which Antenna is Better?
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2023, 1517 UTC »
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Re: Dipole vs Vertical: Which Antenna is Better?
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2023, 1517 UTC »
That image of antenna tower in fire looks like the result of an anti-waves militant attack.
Several attacks of this type in France, against cell phone towers and radio-TV towers in the last few years.
Some of those dumb militants even accused the all-new 5G network to be the cause of the pandemy!
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Re: Dipole vs Vertical: Which Antenna is Better?
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2023, 1845 UTC »
Unless looking for NVIS at lower frequencies, a horizontal at approximately 1/2' wavelength above moderate to decent ground can return up to ~8.5dBi of gain. The problem for lots of us is getting a lower HF horizontal dipole for 160/80/40 that high, even if perhaps having the space lengthwise.

That said....

Want a ground-mount HF vertical without the huge radial field? Make the vertical a halfwave fed at the base with with a 49:1 or 64:1 unun. Now all ya' need is a few very short on-ground radials (and/or common-mode on the feedline) to satisfy Kirchhoff's first law.

If antenna height is an issue, as a halfwave on even 40m is ~66', look into deploying the halfwave as described above instead as an inverted-L. It might need a little tweaking to the length and/or unun ratio, but either seems easier than deploying dozens of ground radials IMO.

Alternatively, raise the vertical and use a couple or more elevated tuned radials. I keep meaning to add those to my elevated 31' vertical for improved ~7MHz tuning, but it is a receiving antenna, so it is just grounded to the existing mast and guys for now. If I raised it higher, I could actually even use tuned guys as elevated radials.
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