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Author Topic: Historical Choice of Frequencies on 40/43 Meters?  (Read 4927 times)

Offline radioartisan

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Historical Choice of Frequencies on 40/43 Meters?
« on: December 30, 2024, 1319 UTC »
I recently got back into listening to pirate radio stations after a ~20 year hiatus.  I remember back in the late 80s and the 90s stations tended to be above the 40 meter amateur band, with 7415 being a popular frequency, if I recall correctly.  These days stations are below the 40 meter amateur band, in the 6900-6990 range.  Anyone know why this move happened?  Perhaps there less congestion than above the 40 meter amateur band?
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Re: Historical Choice of Frequencies on 40/43 Meters?
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2024, 1641 UTC »
7415 was licensed to WBCQ for a while, which made the frequency no longer useable for pirates. Later that whole band was added to the 41 meter broadcast band, so the move was made to 43 meters. You will also hear 73 meters (4185) this time of year, this band has been used in the last few years when 43 meters goes long.
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Re: Historical Choice of Frequencies on 40/43 Meters?
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2025, 1513 UTC »
Yes, most of the moves were due to interference from other stations. As the 41 meter band filled up with more SWBC stations, pirates moved below the 40 meter band.

6955 was quite popular at first. If I recall, there was a Bolivian SWBC station that caused QRM there, hence the move to 6925.

Back then, it was rare to have more than one pirate on at the same time, so only one frequency was often used. Now of course with all the activity, multiple frequencies are used, and the combination of SDRs and the internet makes it easy for stations on "oddball" frequencies to get logged, and listened to by others.
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Re: Historical Choice of Frequencies on 40/43 Meters?
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2025, 0032 UTC »
Oddly enough, TCS first broadcast back in 1982 was on 6965 kHz AM, from the VFO of the original Knight T-150 transmitter.  I knew enough to stay out of the ham bands, but had no recent pirate loggings for hints on active frequencies. 

After a phone chat with Darren Leno, founder of the now-defunct  "A.C.E." North American shortwave pirate listeners club which had only been running for a month or two, he convinced me to instead broadcast around 7425 kHz, which was THE pirate frequency in North America at that time, and through 1984.  It must have been some time after that when 7415 kHz came into broad use for pirates.

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Re: Historical Choice of Frequencies on 40/43 Meters?
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2025, 2006 UTC »
In the late 70s-early 80s, North American activity was scattered between 41 meters (i.e., 7300-7500 KHz) and 48 meters (i.e., 6200-6300 KHz), with occasional use of other non-typical frequencies in the tropical bands, where they were bound to be heard by a tropical-band DXer at least*, even as low as 3200 KHz, if I recall correctly. I don't recall any SSB activity in that time but I might be wrong.

As explained by others, the increased use 41 meters by powerful international broadcasters made it a tough place to operate so the shift began. I'm not completely sure why the shift away from 48 meters in North America occurred though I assume the availability of ham transmitters had something to do with it, along with the increased use of SSB, of course.

In 2024-25, with the increased utility presence, MARS/CFARS nets and the ever present peskies on 6900-7000, I can understand the increased use (though only by a small number of stations) of 6800-6900 lately. However, even in that range there is a good chance of QRM.

There are some open slots currently on 41 meters in the North American evenings (enough slots for more than just YHWH) and of course 48 meters is wide open in North America during our evenings. With the wide availability of general-coverage transmitters/transceivers (either as-built or modified after sale), the choice of frequency is less governed by the transmitter being restricted to the ham bands.

*though many of the prominent tropical-band DXers at the time were quite hostile to pirates.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2025, 2019 UTC by Charlie_Dont_Surf »
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Re: Historical Choice of Frequencies on 40/43 Meters? WDRR on 6800kHz.
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2025, 1627 UTC »
WDRR did a Shortwave debut around Halloween 1992. It was reported that the Op had a modified Knight T-60 transmitter, but the closest FREQ to 7415kHz he had was a 6800kHz FT-243 crystal. He was advised, by DX friends that he knew, to just do it. I think only a hand full of DX'ers heard it, and I heard the very tale-end of it. However, the comments in The ACE reported it to be on a nice, clean, FREQ, with great signal quality. Unlike 7415 kHz, which had stations walking over each other, usually by mistake. Anyway, anyone else remember this?
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Re: Historical Choice of Frequencies on 40/43 Meters?
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2025, 1438 UTC »
Hey All,

Yes, I remember the "7415" days.

And ie 6220 for Dun Laoghaire Local Radio Ireland.I had some  other Euros  around 6200 as well.

A LONG time ago !

I see from the most recent HFU  reports that  around 6955  is by far the most popular range to op in.Only a single listing for 6170 and 4185 for  a while .

Is there a (big ?)  "peskie" problem around 6950/6955  ? My QTH  receive set up  is  a  VERY limited -an  indoor antenna "40M"/ square 1/4 wave /33 ft  total length loop. "Well built" ,but still INDOORS- BOO, HISS/ STINKO. I really have to "blessed" with "pretty good" prop, or else it's a "problem".   

 So I  usually only hear the STRONG pirates and if there are pesks , I haven't really copied them as QRM to pirates.

As I have discussed  with Chris, I personally  think it is a bit of a  better idea for pirates to "mostly" cluster around a certain frequency ie +/- 6955 ( and much more critically  on  MW at +/- 1730- NOT in the X band  ). Pirate listening  is something  98% of  folks specifically  search  for. It it generally not stumbled upon by people   causally  tuning over  a large range of frequencies. Pretty much "everybody"  knows where to look and is equipped for the chase (except me- now , HI  :) :)..).

Having other "active" areas (ie the lower end of 6 Mhz  or in the 4100's ) is fine - IF  you are a serious  chaser and know where else to look , aside from  "6955".

 But I  "usually" just check    "6955" though  . My antenna is "best" ( a long stretch and  very subjective term :o) in 40 M . The 4100's can also be more noisy.From the transmit side , I feel 6955 is far easier re antennas , prop,  etc -compared to the  4100's  .

(OT, when I was a ham , 40 M was the lowest band I could "pull off" at my QTH)

 I  do  "get"  using  alternative frequencies though . Freedom is part of the experience, so as long as there is no QRM TX/RX, have at it :) :) ! .

Re pirate to pirate QRM : Obvious :Listen for a FEW MINUTES   for  somebody else to possibly QSB up. Move  if needed. Easy peasy.

Re Bolivia on 6955, I did a  REALLY quick search , but  came up empty. Anyone have a station name for that one ? Are they still active ?

NQC
« Last Edit: July 14, 2025, 1512 UTC by NQC »
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Re: Historical Choice of Frequencies on 40/43 Meters?
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2025, 0310 UTC »
Most people are using a receiver with a waterfall display these days and as such I don't think it is terribly hard to spot something in a ~200 KHz swath of 43 meters.
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Re: Historical Choice of Frequencies on 40/43 Meters?
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2025, 0125 UTC »
Hey Charlie ,

I agree.

 An “established “ 200 Kc  range is not a big deal to search, even on a non waterfall receiver.

A waterfall DOES make it better though.

Again, I  guess the other traditional hangouts would also not be too hard to grab either , at a good receive installation.

IMHO , a waterfall may be  even more advantageous outside of 43 M .

NQC
« Last Edit: July 16, 2025, 0128 UTC by NQC »
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