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ARLB038 ARRL Again Complains to FCC about Illegal Marketing of
Electronic Lighting Ballasts

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ARRL Bulletin 38  ARLB038
From ARRL Headquarters 
Newington CT  December 29, 2015
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB038
ARLB038 ARRL Again Complains to FCC about Illegal Marketing of
Electronic Lighting Ballasts

The ARRL has again complained to the FCC to allege illegal marketing
of electronic RF lighting ballasts, operating under Part 18 of the
Commission's rules, on the part of two major retailers. Letters went
out this week to the FCC Enforcement Bureau and its Office of
Engineering and Technology claiming Part 18 marketing regulations
violations by Lowe's and by Walmart stores. At issue is the sale of
non-consumer RF lighting ballasts to consumers who, in several
instances, were told by store personnel that it was okay to install
these in a residential setting. In addition, non-consumer and
residential-class ballasts are intermixed in store displays with
inadequate signage to direct consumers to the correct choice. Both
letters asked the FCC to investigate and commence enforcement
proceedings with respect to the two stores' marketing and retail
sale of RF lighting devices in the US.

"ARRL purports to show that the retailer is...marketing and selling
to consumers (by retail sale) non-consumer Part 18 RF lighting
devices which are not intended for residential deployment, to
consumers who have specifically noted their intention to deploy the
devices in residential applications," ARRL Chief Counsel Chris
Imlay, W3KD, said in similar complaint letters to the Commission on
December 28 and December 29. Part 18 emissions limits for consumer
devices are far lower than those allowed for non-consumer devices.

"ARRL has received numerous complaints from Amateur Radio operators
of significant noise in the medium (MF) and high frequency (HF)
bands between 1.8 MHz and 30 MHz from 'grow lights' and other Part
15 and part 18 RF lighting devices," Imlay continued. "These devices
are easily capable of emitting RF noise sufficient to preclude
Amateur Radio MF and HF communications (and, as well, AM broadcast
station reception) throughout entire communities."

Supporting both complaints are extensive and detailed reports by
ARRL Laboratory EMC Specialist Mike Gruber, W1MG. The reports
recount incidents of actual purchases of Part 18 RF lighting devices
intended for commercial use to consumers who made clear to store
personnel that they intended to use the devices at home. Gruber's
report includes multiple photographs that depict in-store displays
of the products in question and showing signage that does not
adequately explain which devices may be sold to whom.

The ARRL has asked that all non-consumer devices be removed from
retail sale and marketing at the stores and to track and recall
non-consumer devices already sold to consumers.

In his report, Gruber concluded that retailers should require
purchasers of non-consumer Part 18 RF lighting devices to provide a
valid contractor's number. He also advised that the stores improve
display signage to make it clear that non-consumer Part 18 devices
may not be used in residential settings.

Earlier this year, the ARRL sent similar complaint letters to the
FCC regarding the marketing of Part 18 RF lighting devices by The
Home Depot. The League also has complained about specific RF
lighting "grow light" devices that it has alleged exceed Part 18
emission limits.
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Huh..... A guy who's last name was synonymous with marijuana early in this century doing cut and paste of articles against lights used to grow the stuff. And we used to call you "Herb". Pot literally meets Kettle, and I don't mean Pa.

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"herb" is a myth, propagated by the people, such as Big Mike, who used to frequent the old FRN chatroom. They were just trying to get more folks to use the room; there is no evidence that someone using that name ever actually hung out there.

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You're digging yourself in deeper in the compost, Weed Monkey.

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Well the interference problem goes much deeper than this complaint from the ARRL.  I bought 2 LED lights made for home use (Edison base) and once I placed them where they were needed, I switched them on and I heard the worse noise from the radio room radios that were operational.

The noise was so intense that I thought the lights weren't making good contact in their sockets but no!  It was the damned lights themselves. I paid $15 for the pair and I quickly removed them and stuffed them in the light 'junk draw... Cheap Chinese crap!  They made more noise than the small spark gap transmitter I made and tested, in the early 1970's, for the heck of it.

My point is and will always be this until it is taken proper care of;  they (the government) is allowing fixtures both lighting and electronic gear to be imported from China that is a hazard to communication.  The noise output is so strong that it even blocks FM communication.  In no way does this 'stuff' (aka crap) fit within part 15 or any part of the rules and regulations.  Most of this 'stuff' isn't even tested to see if they comply with any rules or regs.

Until they (the Government) fix this problem the noise will soon increase to the point where emergency communication of any form will be near impossible.  The FCC wants to revamp the AM broadcast band well it will never happen until this 'stuff' is sent back from port and not allowed to even grace the store shelves.  If this continues, soon the protected aircraft band will soon be unusable.

There needs to be a large amount of 'bitching' from the general public and the users of radio communication about this matter.  Don't let me be the only one... 

And it's not just we folks in the USA that is having problems with this 'stuff' (aka junk)  many other Countries are having problems with this Chinese 'stuff' (aka bull feces) and the problems go well beyond noise generation. Poison toys for children, tea pots that have 'weird' electronic chips that function at wireless frequencies (That one comes from Russia) and the list goes on and on.

China is THE enemy and we have to face up to the problem.  And the problem is that the consumer doesn't give a ratts *ss about noise and other problems as long as they can get their 'toys' cheap.  Big business has a hand in this too... 

Time to wake up America (and all of the free world too)... ISIS kills with weapons, China kills with retarded 'junk'.

 
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Nah, you got it all wrong, Vince!

It's PIRATE RADIO STATIONS that pose a clear and present danger to life, liberty, the pursuit of profits, purity of the radio spectrum, the maintenance of order, preventing the cross-breeding of dogs and cats,  and the moral well-being of all Americans  !!

Just ask that FCC "Commissioner Dumbass", Michael O'Reilly...

We are "not cute" and we are not fun!

('Course, I beg to differ on both counts!)
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Well JP, it's been years since anyone has accused me of being "cute" or "fun".  I'm just a 60-year old "kid playing radio"  :) How 'bout you?
Hailing from the upstate boondocks region of the progressive paradise which once was New York State

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I will cite this as one of the reasons I buy Cree and only Cree bulbs.  I changed out almost all the bulbs in the place and noticed no change in the noise floor here.  I also picked up a few LED shop lights cheap, and they seem to be OK, had to put a snap-on core on the power cord, but otherwise no issues.

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I'm old... damned old... I have yet to have to clip on anything to a filament bulb to do away with noise because they don't make noise...  Technology seems to take one step forward and three steps back...  If it takes some clip on gadget to do away with the noise the manufacturer needs to do it NOT me!

I don't go anywhere, do anything and I don't have any fun... so piron radio is out for me... except for listening to that is and even then it isn't all that much fun due to my idiot neighbors that buy Chinese junk...  Not to mention the local power company that doesn't change their insulators even when they are broken and arcing up a storm...

The neighbors around here wonder why I only smile when the power goes down for a few hours...  You see, I think ahead, I have battery backup on my little radio... ;-)  Crapping out a few alkaline batteries is a cheap expense for a few hours of clear static free swling/hamming :-) happy happy joy joy!

OK... I admit it... I'm not really as grumpy as I might sound... but I have found, via experience, that it is much better to sound off here than to do it on the lawn at the top of my lungs...  you need a permit to scream outside they tell me <sigh>

So with that... have a happy New Year (unfortunately a re-run of last year) don't over indulge in adult substances but if you do... have one for me... my stupid doctor has told me if I do I will crap out... like a cheap Chinese widget that has been 'over clocked'.

<sigh>

later dudes and dudettes...  now where is that prune juice?


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I live in an old house, so I'm always looking for ways to save money.  I finally broke down and went to LED's when the incandescent security lights in the back yard would last 6 weeks before blowing out.  You see, our government banned good bulbs that lasted, so all the stuff went overseas.  I put in a Toshiba LED PAR bulb three years ago, and it's still burning, 24/7.  I did notice my power bill went down about 20 bucks too.  I have a lot of bulbs that run 24/7 here, so LED was a logical choice.  I'm happy with them, but you have to buy the good stuff.  Cree bulbs aren't cheap, but you get what you pay for.  It's been a couple years, and I've yet to have one fail.

I still have a few cage style filament bulbs on dimmers that will probably last 10 years.  I keep them just for looks, like my 6L6 audio amps I built as a teen :)

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Redhat... thanks for the info.... Cree bulbs eeehhh... do I have to go to the reservation to get them... (a little of NDN humor there ;-))

I have never seen a Cree bulb... where does one buy them?  On-line? Money is not an issue I buy what the stores around here stock... let me see what this last LED beast is... Sylvania...  Yep... made in China...  junk... the only way I could put 'beads' on them is to tear into the ceiling and the landlord wouldn't like me doing that... fixed ceiling fixtures...

Don't get me wrong I love LEDs I use them for a number of things but the engineering to use them on 117 VAC is the problem...  There is a right way to do it and a wrong way and it is much more expensive to do it the right way... Corporations insist on doing it the wrong way therefore big time noise.

I have an old Edison type bulb on my work table because I need the light and with CFL's  I would need a half dozen to get the same 'real' lumens as I do with the single Edison
bulb.

I haven't researched light output specs but I suspect the manufacturers of these newer bulbs are playing the same game as the audio people play... In the old days amplifiers were rated in RMS, today not so... peak power, peak music power, peak to peak power  etc etc not RMS ratings far from it... so very far from it...

So please pass along where I can get Cree bulbs and hopefully some one near me will have them. If it is one of the big box stores I might be able to order them...

Have a very happy new year to you and yours...

BTW my Lady has very poor night vision so I have made LED flashers with One red LED and one Green LED to mark areas that she is prone to run into at night... works great. Me I have eyes like a cat and I see really well in a totally darken room... <heh>  My battery operated LED work lights... I just luv 'em nice and bright let's me find where Doctor Poo has made that bad solder joint... ;-)

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They have a deal with amazon and Home Depot.  They are about $10 each for 60W equivalents.  Plus, these are at least assembled here (The USA).

A good look at the innerds here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6DDFRBrSas

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Neat video redhat!

Thanks for sharing, and HNY!
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Hey man...  $10 isn't bad... heck I thought you were talking big money and not 'chump change'  as my late brother-in-law would say :-)

Guess I'll be heading to the 'Home Teapot' to get me some quiet light...  Many tnx OM...

happy happy joy joy

 
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I should also mention that the ones I have experience with are the ones with the heatsink in the middle and the glass diffuser.  They make a cheaper one now that is all plastic, and I've been rather dubious about their performance, but YMMV.

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