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Did Led Zeppelin steal a riff for 'Stairway to Heaven'? A court will decide
Randy Lewis and Joel Rubin

Who really created one of the most famous riffs in all of rock ’n’ roll?

That question is at the heart of a trial scheduled to begin Tuesday in Los Angeles, where members of Led Zeppelin are expected to appear in federal court to defend their 1971 rock epic “Stairway to Heaven”  against claims that they stole it from another band.

At issue is whether Zeppelin nicked “Stairway’s” famous opening passage, which evokes centuries-old Renaissance folk music, from L.A. rock band Spirit, which shared some concert billings with the iconic British band when it was in its infancy.

A loss for Led Zeppelin could mean millions of dollars in royalties going to the estate of Spirit guitarist and songwriter Randy Craig Wolfe, aka Randy California, for one of the most recognized and played recordings of the rock era.

It’s the highest profile infringement case to make it to the courtroom since last year’s suit in which R&B-soul singer Marvin Gaye’s family was awarded $7.4 million by a jury that decided pop stars Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams’ monster hit “Blurred Lines” had infringed on Gaye’s “Got to Give It Up.”

It’s also the latest in a long line of plagiarism cases involving some of pop music’s biggest acts and most iconic songs, among them the Beach Boys’ “Surfin’ USA,” the Beatles’ “Come Together,” George Harrison’s “My Sweet Lord” and even the ubiquitous “Happy Birthday to You.” Just last week, Richard Busch, the lawyer who represented Gaye’s family, filed a new  infringement suit in Los Angeles against English singer-songwriter Ed Sheeran, saying his 2015 hit “Photograph” bears a “striking similarity” to the song “Amazing” by  Martin Harrington and Thomas Leonard.

The common ground between “Stairway to Heaven” and “Taurus” largely comes down to a 10-second musical theme that appears 45 seconds into “Taurus,” an instrumental from the band’s 1968 debut album, which is similar to the opening acoustic guitar pattern on “Stairway.” That song was released three years before “Stairway to Heaven” surfaced on Zeppelin’s untitled fourth album, commonly referred to as “Led Zeppelin IV.”

Zeppelin surviving members Jimmy Page, Robert Plant and John Paul Jones and their legal team are expected to argue that the similarity is nothing more than coincidence between musicians working in a field rooted in commonly used and re-used musical ideas. Or they may attempt to cite earlier precursors to both songs from the public domain, which could render moot the Wolfe estate’s copyright claim.

“It’s a tough one to call,” says singer-songwriter Richard Thompson, whose 1960s band Fairport Convention helped pioneer the merger of traditional British folk music with the amplified energy of rock ’n’ roll that Led Zeppelin took to its apotheosis in the 1970s.

“They were on the same bill together before [Zeppelin guitarist] Jimmy Page wrote ‘Stairway,’ there’s that,” Thompson said, referring to the Wolfe estate’s claiming that because the two bands played shows together in the late 1960s, and that Spirit often included “Taurus” in those shows, Zeppelin’s members at least had the opportunity to have heard the song.

“On the other hand,” Thompson said, “it’s not an uncommon riff, and the melody not that unusual.”

Guitarist Laurence Juber, who used to play with Paul McCartney’s band Wings, noted that the opening progression can be heard in a 16th century sonata for guitar, violin and strings by Italian composer Giovanni Battista Granata. 

“The reality is that to have a descending bass line with an A minor chord on top of it is a common musical device.”

Francis Malofiy, the lawyer representing Wolfe’s estate, cleared a major hurdle in April when U.S. District Court Judge R. Gary Klausner allowed the case to proceed to trial, rejecting a bid by Led Zeppelin’s legal team to have the case tossed out.

In his ruling, Klausner found that Malofiy had failed to establish that “Stairway to Heaven” bears a “striking similarity” to “Taurus” – a high legal standard in copyright cases.

Klausner, however, decided there was enough substance to Malofiy’s claims that a jury should decide the case on slightly different legal grounds: whether members of Led Zeppelin had sufficient access to “Taurus” – that is, they heard the song played enough times – to conceivably rip it off, and whether the two songs meet a lesser infringement threshold of “substantial similarity.”

Led Zeppelin’s lawyers said both bands simply relied on a “centuries-old, common musical element” that is not protected by copyright law. Klausner disagreed, saying he found that “the similarities here transcend this core structure.”
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For jurors, it will not be as easy as simply listening to full recordings of the two songs. Because copyright law protects only the composition that a songwriter submits in writing to the country’s copyright office, jurors will hear a stripped-down version of “Taurus” that is likely to make parallels between the two songs less pronounced.

Page, Plant and Jones are all included as witnesses in court filings and are expected to testify before Klausner once the trial gets under way next week. Klausner, however, has since dismissed Jones as a plaintiff.

It’s a case being closely monitored in the music business because it involves not only one of the most recognizable songs in the rock repertoire, but also one of the most lucrative. In 2008, Conde Nast’s Portfolio estimated that “Stairway to Heaven” had generated $562 million in publishing royalties and record sales since its release.

“This case is way better than the Thicke-Gaye case,” said Joe Escalante, a Los Angeles entertainment lawyer and  an original member of long-running punk band the Vandals, saying he believes Led Zeppelin’s lawyers will likely point to other songs using a similar arpeggio.

“If they can show that what was infringed predated even the ‘Taurus’ song, then they can show that it was unprotectable, and there will then be no infringement,” he said.

Lawyers for Led Zeppelin are expected as well to call into question whether Wolfe had a legal claim to “Taurus.” In 1967, the young songwriter signed over the rights to his songs to a music company in exchange for royalties. In court filings, Led Zeppelin’s lawyers have claimed that Taurus was written after Wolfe signed the agreement, which could undermine his estate’s claim.

Malofiy plans to call former band mates and Wolfe’s siblings to the stand to counter that allegation with testimony that the song was written the previous year as a love song for his girlfriend. Wolfe’s suit also argues that he was under 18 when he signed away his rights, rendering it invalid.

Because of the statute of limitations, the Wolfe estate is only able to seek revenue produced by “Stairway” since 2011, or the three years before the latest remastered version was released in 2014. But going forward, any percentage of monies coming out of sales or airplay of the song could add up to a significant windfall for the estate of Wolfe, who drowned in Hawaii in 1997 while rescuing his son from a strong undertow.

This is not the first time Zeppelin has faced the question of copyright infringement. The group altered songwriting credits for “Whole Lotta Love” and “Babe I’m Gonna Leave You” in the wake of similar claims, and settled an infringement suit over the song “Dazed and Confused” in 2012. Klausner, however, has barred Malofiy from introducing any previous infringement claims against Led Zeppelin.

Among the other most notorious cases of copyright infringement of pop music: former Beatle George Harrison was found to have  “unconsciously plagiarized” the Chiffons’ 1963 pop hit “He’s So Fine” with his 1970 hit “My Sweet Lord”; the Beach Boys’ 1964 surf rock classic “Surfin’ U.S.A.”  now carries a co-writing credit for Chuck Berry after a court verdict that the California band had lifted much of the melody and structure of the song from Berry’s 1958 early rock standard “Sweet Little Sixteen.”

Last year, a federal judge ruled that “Happy Birthday to You,” which for decades has been treated as a copyrighted composition, was in fact part of the public domain and therefore not protected.

“I find this case to be really interesting,”  said intellectual property litigator Josh Schiller, partner in the New York firm Boies, Schiller & Flexner. “I’m concerned about a series of recent cases in which if one song just feels like another song [constitutes infringement], we’re creating a different standard” of what qualifies for copyright protection.

“Music all comes from the same place, it’s all referential, it’s all sourced anyway,” Schiller said. “What the jury will do, hopefully, when you have 12 people in a room together, will be to decide whether this was a significant instance of copying.”

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Re: Did Led Zeppelin steal a riff for 'Stairway to Heaven'?
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2016, 1402 UTC »
Fansome, sometimes you're a right thinking man. I must be having some positive influence on you.

There was a DJ on a local AOR station in '73/'74 who would play Taurus and Stairway back to back, give the recording dates and say "Decide for yourself, folks." He was right then, he's right now.

What always bothered me was that the late Howlin' Wolf was too old to do a Moe Howard, get Page and Plant in headlock, knock 'em together, while yelling, "Quit stealin' my music unless you want to end up on the killin' floor!"

Led Zeppelin, I rate them up there with the Monkees and the Archies.

Now if you folks will excuse me, I've got to go to the bathroom to take a big ol' Robert Plant.

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Re: Did Led Zeppelin steal a riff for 'Stairway to Heaven'?
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2016, 0443 UTC »

Love em or hate em - it's hard not to like this !
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2016, 1916 UTC »
I knew this was a set up. Sheldon Cooper on lead guitar fronted by the Vancouver, BC. Senior Ladies Club acoustic duet. I did like the animated corpses in the box seats, they were almost life-like.

You think they would have got Bernadette and Penny to front Sheldon's band with Amy on the rhythm cello? They could have done "Billy Don't Be A Hero" or some other iconic song of the era.

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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2016, 0053 UTC »
I did like the animated corpses in the box seats, they were almost life-like.

Hahahahahaha very true - those old geezers in the balcony looked like they had been dead for quite a while.
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Re: Did Led Zeppelin steal a riff for 'Stairway to Heaven'?
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2016, 0204 UTC »
Old musicians never die; they just de-compose.

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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2016, 0704 UTC »
Or in the cases of Keith Richards and Iggy Pop, they fossilize.

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Re: Did Led Zeppelin steal a riff for 'Stairway to Heaven'?
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2016, 1552 UTC »
Led Zeppelin???  Huh?

More like Dead Tampon!

Come on... now everyone is gonna fight over riffs...?  If there was one person in this world that had/has listen to every song ever written he/she would hear something that has been done before.

It's like writing a novel... damn it everything worth hearing has been done before... except for Frank Zappa...  ie: "Brown Shoes Don't Make It" and DEVO ie: "I Saw My Girl Getting Sloppy"

Pretty soon they'll be fighting over rhythm guitar progressions...  Lets' figure out who/whom wrote the original 12 bar blues rhythm...  think about it...  Let's see maybe even a fight over the chord progression E-A-B... or E=F#-A-B etc etc

mean while I'll go back to listening to Richard Cheese...

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Re: Did Led Zeppelin steal a riff for 'Stairway to Heaven'?
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2016, 2020 UTC »
OK... I checked the riff on that tune today... I didn't have anything better to do really.

It's nothing special...  back when I was at University I heard first year music students doing better stuff as practice material...  I'm not kidding folks...  And NO I wasn't a music major. These guys and gals were excellent and a damned sight better than this dirty crap we have been fed for the past... Oh... say... 60 or 70 years...

Since then look at todays music... pure Bovine Scat with pig poo on the top, hell you can't even use it for fertilizer it's so bad...  GD this and GD than gonna slap de hell out of my st-pid ho ho ho. with electric drums and stinky poo samples...  gheeessss!  And 'Lady gag' is just the worse... and all of those other half a**ed no talent people that have sold their souls for the all mighty $$$.  These people don't do anything... it's the producers that are screwing everything up... Hell even the 'engineers' can't remaster an old LP properly...

Is it any wonder I stopped listening to 'modern' music?....

Ok... seriously...  time to listen to some Count Basie...  Yeah... that's where I'm really at in case anyone wonders.  ...but why would they...?

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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2016, 2316 UTC »
There's only so many notes that can be played (12 in a chromatic scale), and it's bound to happen that some times the same notes get played and even in the same order.....
The thing that George Harrison, Millie vanillie, etc and maybe jimmy Page all forget to do was to change the key of the song - - - then things are a bit less obvious...
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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2016, 1554 UTC »
It all goes to hell when musicians make music to impress other musicians.
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2016, 2225 UTC »
Gotta share this: Stationed on the 'shitty-kitty' back in '69 @ ye olde Yankee Station & a shipmate had Led's first album. This shipmate was from the town across the Willamette from my home Oregon City. Anyway the real reason for this post; these two cities hi school football teams have an annual "homecoming/game." So in the trophy case @ OCHS is a football with the 1899 (Yes, Eighteen nighty-nine) final score:
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                                                   West Linn Lions       :   0 (tee hee)  :D

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Jury finds Led Zeppelin did not steal riff for ‘Stairway’
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By Brian Melley, Associated Press

Thursday, June 23, 2016 | 11:05 a.m.

LOS ANGELES — Led Zeppelin did not steal a riff from an obscure 1960s instrumental tune to use for the introduction of its classic rock anthem "Stairway to Heaven," a federal court jury decided Thursday.

The verdict in Los Angeles settles a point that music fans have debated for decades but didn't find its way to court until two years ago, when the trustee for the late Randy Craig Wolfe filed a copyright lawsuit.

The trust claimed that Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page lifted a passage that Wolfe, better known as Randy California, wrote for "Taurus," a short work he recorded with his band Spirit in 1968.

Page and singer Robert Plant showed little emotion as the verdict was read then hugged their lawyers.

Jurors found the trust had cleared a few hurdles, including that Page and Plant had "access" to "Taurus," meaning they would have been familiar with it.

Trust attorney Francis Malofiy said he was sad and disappointed by the jury's decision.

"The reality is that we proved access, but they could never hear what they had access to," Malofiy said. "It's bizarre."

In trying to show the works were substantially similar, the trust had the tricky task of relying on sheet music because that's what is filed with the U.S. Copyright Office.

Jurors were not played the "Taurus" recording, which contains a section that sounds very similar to the instantly recognizable start of "Stairway." Instead, they were played guitar and piano renditions by musicians on both sides of the case. Not surprisingly, the plaintiff's version on guitar sounded more like "Stairway" than the defense version on piano.

Page and Plant, who wrote the "Stairway" lyrics, said their creation was an original. In several hours of often-animated and amusing testimony, they described the craft behind one of rock's best-known songs, all the while denying knowledge of one of the genre's least-known tunes.

Plant cracked up the courtroom when said he didn't remember most people he had hung out with over the years.

In closing arguments, Malofiy criticized Page and Plant's "selective" memories and "convenient" truths on the witness stand.

Experts for both sides dissected both compositions, agreeing mainly that they shared a descending chord progression that dates back three centuries as a building block in lots of songs.

The trust's experts, however, went further and noted several other similarities that made the two works unlike the many other tunes they were compared to, including "My Funny Valentine," and The Beatles' "Michelle."

Led Zeppelin's lawyer said the trust didn't own the copyright and that the plaintiff failed to prove a case that should have been brought more than 40 years ago when Wolfe was alive and Page and singer Robert Plant would have had better memories.

"How can you wait a half century and criticize people ... 45 years later for the delay you caused?" Peter Anderson said. "They should have sued in 1972."

Wolfe, who drowned in 1997 saving his son at a beach in Hawaii, had spoken with lawyers over the years about suing, but they never took on the case because it was old, said Glen Kulik another lawyer for the trust. A Supreme Court ruling in 2014 over the movie "Raging Bull" opened the door to bring a copyright case at any time with damages only dating back three years and continuing into the future.

Malofiy asked jurors to give Wolfe a songwriting credit and millions of dollars in damages, though he didn't provide a specific figure. The defense said record label profits from the past five years were $868,000, but Anderson reminded jurors that only a fraction of the eight-minute song was being challenged.

The trial took jurors and lucky observers who managed to pack into the courtroom on a musical journey through the late 1960s and early 1970s, when Spirit, a California psychedelic group that blended jazz and rock was achieving stardom as the hard-rocking British band was being founded.

Stops on the tour of testimony included Spirit shows at "love-ins" during the "Summer of Love," Led Zeppelin's U.S. debut as an opening act for Spirit and Vanilla Fudge in Denver in December 1968 and, finally, to a country house in the south of England where Page, Plant and bassist John Paul Jones described how "Stairway" was born.

Page said his ambition was to write a song that would accelerate to a crescendo and he first shared the opening with keyboardist and bassist John Paul Jones to get an ally in his scheme.

Singer Robert Plant said he was sitting by the fire at Headley Grange in the spring of 1970, when Page played the intro on acoustic guitar and he offered the start of a couplet he had been working on: "There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold/and she's buying a stairway to heaven."

Jurors never heard a note from Page or Plant live, but they were treated to lo-fi vintage recordings of the band creating the song, renditions on guitar and piano by other musicians and, finally, the full recording of one of rock's most enduring anthems.

Page, 72, bobbed his head and moved to the tune while Plant, 67, sat still. Both men wore sharp suits, white shirts and ties throughout the trial and had their hair pulled back in neat ponytails.

They didn't chat with anyone in the gallery, including several fans, and were escorted by personal bodyguards to the restroom and in and out of the federal courthouse each day. One afternoon, a group of women clapped and Page flashed a smile as the rock stars were hustled across the courthouse corridor to a private hallway.

The case is not the first time Led Zeppelin was accused of swiping another artist's work. The lawsuit listed at least six other songs in which the band reached settlements over songwriting credits for works including "Whole Lotta Love," ''The Lemon Song," and "Dazed and Confused."