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Growling audio on MWBC signals
« on: January 02, 2011, 2038 UTC »
Subject: [Lowfer] Growling audio on MWBC signals
   Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:31:02 -0700
   From: "C. Turner" <turner@ussc.com>
 
 
Slightly OT, but interesting nonetheless:
 
Some weeks ago I happened to tune in our local 69 horsepower (formerly)
"clear channel" AM radio station (1160 kHz - KSL) and upon listening to
it in SSB mode using exalted carrier methods, I heard a rather obnoxious
growling on the audio that disappeared when "normal" AM or synchronous
AM techniques were employed.
 
Upon inspecting the carrier, I noted that there was a pair of 16 Hz
sidebands responsible for the "growling."  Curious, I asked the
engineer, Randy, K7SL - who I happen to know - and here is an excerpt of
his response:
 
"16Hz is a low speed data stream used to send messages to warranty
receivers.  These guys are battery operated 10 year lifetime receivers
that attach themselves to things like Baby Cribs, Saws, etc.  These
receivers set off alarms if a factory recall happens.  They then give
details for the recalls.  The data also contains clock correction
signals for home user clocks.  The clocks currently using WWVB don't get
a good enough signal inside noisy environments and the 50kW signal from
KSL and other Clear Channel stations cover the the US better.
 
"Currently the signal ...  is just a test signal that repeats itself.
  If [one] looks at night on other strong AM stations [you] will see
similar signals. There are other uses for the signal, but I don't
remember them right now.  All I know for sure is that it eats up a lot
of transmitter power.  Of course any 1/2 db added to the modulation
looks like it is stealing all the power when you look only at modulation
levels around 95 to 100% (chuckle).
 
"A word of warning.  If you walk too closely to one of these receivers,
it might un-attach itself from where it is and jump to the back of your
neck and re-attach itself to you.  It will then give Aliens control of
your mind and you know what happens from there.  [I saw this on TV so I
know it is true]"
 
So there.
 
I wonder how long it takes before conspiracy-minded people consider this
to be a means of mind control?
 
(Never mind...  too late!)
 
73,
 
Clint
KA7OEI/CT
 
 
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Jon-FL wrote:
 Below is a messgae you wrote.
 I'll like to share is with the members
 of the IRC channel #WUNclub, and thier e-list (UDXF@yahoogroups.com).
 
 Any objections?
 
 
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Hi Jon,
 
Sure - no problem.
 
I might add that I've observed the same data on 1040 (WHO) and 1110
(possibly KFAB) while another on the LF list (Steve R.) also spotted it
on 850 (KOA).
 
After receiving his email, I recalled having read something about it in
the trade rags, but it would be interesting to know the "official" name
of this service as that would make it a bit easier to research and the
initial stabs at Google searches haven't turned up anything:  I've not
had the opportunity to ask Randy.
 
73,
 
Clint
 
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Re: Growling audio on MWBC signals
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2011, 2041 UTC »
 David R. Alpert

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To UDXF@yahoogroups.com, jon9fl9swl@bellsouth.net, turner@ussc.com
From:   udxf@yahoogroups.com on behalf of David R. Alpert (dra@pipeline.com)
Sent:   Fri 12/24/10 2:27 PM
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Cc:    jon9fl9swl@bellsouth.net; turner@ussc.com

Is this what we're talking about?
 
 
Washington - Dec 16, 2010 - <http://www.nabfastroad.org>NAB Fastroad
released <http://www.nabfastroad.org/AMDigitalDataSSSRpt.pdf>a report
on a new AM radio data service concept, with the potential to provide
AM broadcasters the ability to transmit low-rate data similar to what
FM broadcasters can provide using the Radio Data System (RDS)
subcarrier. This work was undertaken by <http://ibiquity.com>iBiquity
Digital and was co-funded by iBiquity and NAB Fastroad.
 
Called the AM Digital Data Service (ADDS), this new technology
supports delivery of low data-rate text for analog AM radio stations,
which currently have no method for transmitting data such as song
title and artist. This technology could be easily integrated into
future radio receivers.
 
One of the benefits of this service is that it would offer AM
broadcasters a simpler and less-expensive way to provide a limited
digital service compared to a full AM IBOC installation, which at
present is the only option.
 
(http://radiomagonline.com/currents/am-radio-concept-developed-1216/)
 
- DRA
   KB2LUM
 
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Re: Growling audio on MWBC signals
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2011, 2045 UTC »
 David R. Alpert

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Not sure - try Ibiquity, I suppose - but Ben Dawson tells Glenn
Hauser it's called "Streamline" and it's "running on a lot of
stations with extensive coverage (class As and some high power low
frequency class Bs)."
 
- DRA
 
At 05:36 PM 12/25/2010, you wrote:
>Where would one find a list of stations using such encoding?
>
>Kurt
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Re: Growling audio on MWBC signals
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2011, 1146 UTC »
And all this time I thought that unintelligible growling on MW radio was coming from Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Rusty Humphries and Rush Limbaugh.
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Re: Growling audio on MWBC signals
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2011, 1952 UTC »
It shows up on the stations that carries those guys and "Coast to Coast AM" here.

If the local nut jobs ran across those articles,they'd be hidin' from the Feds,who are surely comin' to take 'em to those secret internment camps in Arizona.

Luckily,Al and I will be in the tunnels under the Denver Airport with the rest of the global elite when that comes to pass.

 

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