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Russia’s first Krasukha-4 electronic warfare unit lands in Syria. It can jam spy satellites, enemy radar

The Krasukha-4 is highly advanced, although not the most sophisticated EW system in the Russian arsenal. But it fits Shoigu’s book. The system can jam communications systems, disable  guided missiles and aircraft, and neutralize Low-Earth Orbit spy satellites  and radars (AWACS) at ranges of 150-300km, which cover northern and central Israel. The Krasukha-4 can also damage  opposing EW.

https://www.debka.com/russias-first-krasukha-4-electronic-warfare-unit-lands-in-syria-it-can-jam-spy-satellites-enemy-radar/
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Re: Russia’s first Krasukha-4 electronic warfare unit lands in Syria.
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2018, 0601 UTC »
I guess the Israelis scared the crap out of the Midget of Moscow last week? I wonder if it works better than their "unlimited range atomic rocket" that crashed after takeoff in the Arctic Ocean awhile back?


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Re: Russia’s first Krasukha-4 electronic warfare unit lands in Syria.
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2018, 1641 UTC »
This stuff keep yous awake at night?

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Re: Russia’s first Krasukha-4 electronic warfare unit lands in Syria.
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2018, 0525 UTC »
I thought this was interesting;

"January 25, 2015
 Anti-Maidan Kharkov - Facebook page
 Translated from Russian by Kristina Rus
 
We will not name the author of this material, as he is an active officer of the armed forces of Russia, but he perfectly described the situation - What would happen if the Ukrainian military faced the Russian army?
 
The titles of some complexes we have SPECIFICALLY designated with the letters of the Latin alphabet not to write their name, as mentioning some of them is undesirable for the author. However, I think that military people will understand what are the systems in question:
 
"According to our Ukrainian partners, commenting on the latest ATO news, and referring to the "intercepted data from reports of the Russian army", today another division of the Russian army was destroyed near Lugansk...
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 I want to briefly explain to the Ukrainian colleagues, what is the modern Russian army, and what would happen, if it would come to visit them in reality, and not in their wet dreams.
 
Firstly, today we use digital radio communication with local encryption. You can intercept it, but you cannot decipher it. The code changes in 50 minutes, an hour, an hour and twenty-two minutes - on arbitrary unpredictable schedule. Ukrainian military and the armed forces of Novorossia are using an old analog model, which you can listen to. And the Russian army now has communications which was previously only on secure communication lines, - you can only hear the crackling and a characteristic murmur.
 
Secondly, if the Russian army appears in front of UAF, it will be easy to determine.
 
The first sign - failure of all means of communication, full discharging of batteries in vehicles, tanks and other equipment, at the same time, discharge of batteries in mobile phones, the targets, and radio stations. Then, there is a rupture of electric circuits throughout all the equipment - all of it. This is EMP. All engines stall, no way to restart. This is how the system "X" works (in order to protect the author we do not specify the name), with a range of up to 20 km.
 
Second - complete failure of all systems using LCD monitors, the failure of all target-locating devices of the air defense system. This is how the complex "Altair" works (this is a known complex in the world, we can name it).
 
Third - a failure to deploy any kinds of guided missile weapons - from MANPADS to PTURS [anti-tank guided reactive missile]. Upon launching, the ammunition liquidates itself.
 This is a  battalion complex "Z" - on the basis of MTLB [multi-target light armored transporter]. Range - 15 kilometers.
 
Fourth - it is impossible to use a drone and low-flying aircraft. Their on board electronics will fail. This is system "Y". Then there is a complex "Avtobaza", which can forcibly land a drone.
 
What will happen next? Dozens (hundreds, if necessary) of the latest combat helicopters, flying over all the roads, start hunting for single armored vehicles, trains, cars. Railroad is paralyzed, bridges blown up. The lights go out on the home front - electric stations are out of service. Civil and military headquarters on the home front and separate leaders simultaneously are liquidated by the recon-subversive groups aka Spetsnaz.
 
This is roughly how the Russian army would conduct military operations today. Therefore, the wet dreams about the "hero-cyborgs", spitting flame on hundreds of Russian tanks, are better left to science fiction writers.""




Hero cyborgs are certain Ukrainian military units, so you know.
If the technology as described above actually exists, L suspect it comes from this guy's research;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv_-uIcLbSI
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So basically:

EMP burst (20 km range) knocks out most communications equipment, vehicles, etc...then,

broadband jamming knocks out HF/VHF/UHF/SATCOM/cellular or mobile networks, command and control systems, and of course, GPS.  Goodbye UAVs/drones.  Another reason to keep NDBs in operation and why the US military is teaching navigators to use compasses, celestial navigation and other methods that aren't GPS...they're well aware of the extreme capability of these Russian EW platforms.

I've read several articles about the Russian military electronic warfare units intercepting Ukrainian military and militia communications in the VHF high band, since they're using off the shelf amateur radio grade equipment (read: Baofeng UV-5Rs).  I know that electronic warfare is at the core of the battle plan of the modern Russian military.  A mixture of disabling/jamming radio-based systems and extensive interception and direction-finding capability.  This includes the ability to jam frequency-hopping systems such as SINCGARS in the 30-88 MHz VHF-FM band for battlefield tactical communications and HAVE QUICK in the 225-400 MHz UHF-AM aircraft band used by the US military, NATO and several other countries. 

The Russians are good at this.  Jamming and interception is pretty much a given, its the EMP capability that "keeps me up at night".
« Last Edit: October 02, 2018, 1919 UTC by R4002 »
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Russia: A 3rd rate power with an outdated nuclear arsenal, a navy of rusting hulks, and a rapidly aging population of well under 200 million that it can't feed, all led by an egotistical, authoritarian dwarf who likes to make empty threats. In other words, it's one step up from North Korea. Plus, they've been fought to a standstill by Ukraine for years despite a huge military advantage. If that's not the definition of a "Paper Tiger", I don't know what is?

Now Josh, what's your problem with your home country? Your endless praise of Russia, a country whose leader threatened to launch missiles at the U.S. in 2004 and 2006 raises questions. Do you have a problem with America? Divided loyalties? Then get your butt to Russia, pucker up for Putin and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I don't think you'll be missed here.

I can't make a joke post about Elon Musk going off the deep end w/o you getting on your political soap box over nothing. What in the Hell is wrong with you?

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Lol seriously.

The only thing I will address is I feel you and a lot of others are underestimating Russian military power. They're a country with advanced military sciences and manufacturing capability because that is where they put what money they have. They have subs right now off our coasts and under the polar caps with mirvs aimed at our cities, in 5 minutes a nuclear tipped slcm fired off the east coast could be in dc. Five minutes. This is for real, right now, today, and has been for years. Of course, we have pretty much the same arrangement with our subs lounging in their waters but it'll take a bit longer to reach Moscow.
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Plus I assume everyone saw the recent picture of Vlad petting the leopard - and him posing shirtless with the fish he caught - a real "man's man" that Putin is - yet what Josh talks about cant be discounted.... Recall Wells' book "War of the Worlds" - have we become the complacent bunch?
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Don't dodge the question. Why do you consistently praise Putin when he's threatened the country YOU live in multiple times in the past decade? He's poisoner, a murderer, and a defacto dictator that seizes territory from his neighbors and sends assassins around the world. He's ordered gassing of women and children in Syria, and committed genocide in Chechnya. A lovely individual!

Not surprisingly he order the rehabilitation of Stalin and his era, his personal hero, in 2017.

What's up with you and your love for a self-declared enemy of your own country, Josh? If you think he's so great there are plenty of planes going there every day. Get on one and tell Ed Snowden his traitorous butt hasn't been forgotten.

Your post is simply noise about another Russian "super-weapon" like the atomic rocket drone that went kerplunk in the Arctic Ocean, and originally hails from a Russian propaganda site meant to scare the gullible. They've had the things there for three years, it hasn't stopped the Israeli's flying second tier U.S. warplanes into Syria a blasting whatever they want at will, it won't stop them now.

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Re: Russia’s first Krasukha-4 electronic warfare unit lands in Syria.
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2018, 2326 UTC »
Enjoying the taste of your own medicine?  ;)

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Re: Russia’s first Krasukha-4 electronic warfare unit lands in Syria.
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2018, 0655 UTC »
Ed Snowden is an American patriot and hero.

Here's why;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czokmy3EnVA

Binney is a patriot and hero too.
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Re: Russia’s first Krasukha-4 electronic warfare unit lands in Syria.
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2018, 0922 UTC »
Unfortunately, such things appear online with great regularity and without a shred of evidence they actually do what is discussed.  The internet is a great thing, but it also produces "experts" at a rate that is simply fantastic.  Amazingly, when I look to hire such people there are not quite as many around who actually know anything.  Lets look at this list, much of it appears to be overstatement when not downright dreams.

Josh, I realize you are quoting someone else here, but it will all appear as quotes of your post.

Firstly, today we use digital radio communication with local encryption. You can intercept it, but you cannot decipher it. The code changes in 50 minutes, an hour, an hour and twenty-two minutes - on arbitrary unpredictable schedule. Ukrainian military and the armed forces of Novorossia are using an old analog model, which you can listen to. And the Russian army now has communications which was previously only on secure communication lines, - you can only hear the crackling and a characteristic murmur.

Sure, everyone who is anyone today uses encrypted comms, not a surprise.  However, when the description of what you hear, "you can only hear the crackling and a characteristic murmur", is so far from reality you really have to doubt the knowledge level of the reporter.  This is right up there with "frequency hop spread spectrum is undetectable from normal static".

The first sign - failure of all means of communication, full discharging of batteries in vehicles, tanks and other equipment, at the same time, discharge of batteries in mobile phones, the targets, and radio stations. Then, there is a rupture of electric circuits throughout all the equipment - all of it. This is EMP. All engines stall, no way to restart. This is how the system "X" works (in order to protect the author we do not specify the name), with a range of up to 20 km.

A wildly inaccurate and overstated account of what EMP does.  There are so many inaccuracies here, particularly when applied to military systems which are often EMP hardened, that it would be best just to say it is almost all wrong.  For example, "all engines stall, no way to restart" ignores simple things like diesel engines (widely used in military applications) with mechanical fuel pumps, engines that use no electricity or electrical components in their operations and are completely unaffected by any kind of EMP.  And I really want to know how an EMP discharges a chemical battery, like a lead-acid battery, that does not have control electronics.

And even if EMP did work like this, it would impact own forces the same way, so it could not be used on engaged hostiles.  At would only apply to designated area preparation.
 
Second - complete failure of all systems using LCD monitors, the failure of all target-locating devices of the air defense system. This is how the complex "Altair" works (this is a known complex in the world, we can name it).

Amazing, a weapons system that attacks a specific type of monitor at battle field distances.

Another gross overstatement.  And even if true, not all target locating devices of the air defense system use an LCD, in fact many are still CRT and other technologies, and so there would not be a "failure of all".
 
Third - a failure to deploy any kinds of guided missile weapons - from MANPADS to PTURS [anti-tank guided reactive missile]. Upon launching, the ammunition liquidates itself.
 This is a  battalion complex "Z" - on the basis of MTLB [multi-target light armored transporter]. Range - 15 kilometers.

"The ammunition liquidates itself".  Again, even if true in someones hookah induced dream, would this not affect own systems if it causes a complete failure to deploy any kind of guided missile weapons?

Missile systems use far too many different types of guidance and control systems for any one device to work against them all.  It mentions things like MANPADS (a fairly narrow group of weapons) without discussion of the fact that there are at least four grossly different guidance technologies for this class of weapon alone.  Although most classically defined MANPADS are passive IR, there are also active RF and LASER beam riders, as well as wire guided.  Sorry man, I just don't see one currently fielded technology defeating all of them.  And I think I understand the problem fairly well.  What protects ground assets typically does not apply so well to airborne.
 
Fourth - it is impossible to use a drone and low-flying aircraft. Their on board electronics will fail. This is system "Y". Then there is a complex "Avtobaza", which can forcibly land a drone.

Again, anything that blanket will also impact own forces.  If something automatically disrupts all electronics on all drones and low flying aircraft then that is, in fact, all.

Sure, there are systems that can target and disrupt specific electronics on such platforms.  But unless it is going to render your own use of them useless it must be specifically applied to a target.  Before targeted application there must be detection and identification, and that is almost never 100%, even on the test range, let alone under real combat conditions.

All this description appears to be from a source that has seen a little info here, a little there, likely from sales brochure like claims of performance (yes, there are sales brochures for weapons systems), and lumped it all together without any real understanding or experience in application.  If this was even remotely true against first rate forces, would Russia be experiencing any losses at all in Syria or any other hotspot where they operate?  And yet they do.

The Russians have some extremely good engineers developing their systems, that is true.  Just as do many other countries.  But the Russians, and their systems, are not 10 feet tall and bullet proof.

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Re: Russia’s first Krasukha-4 electronic warfare unit lands in Syria.
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2018, 1159 UTC »
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Re: Russia’s first Krasukha-4 electronic warfare unit lands in Syria.
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2018, 1217 UTC »
Russia: A 3rd rate power with an outdated nuclear arsenal, a navy of rusting hulks, and a rapidly aging population of well under 200 million that it can't feed, all led by an egotistical, authoritarian dwarf who likes to make empty threats. In other words, it's one step up from North Korea. Plus, they've been fought to a standstill by Ukraine for years despite a huge military advantage. If that's not the definition of a "Paper Tiger", I don't know what is?

Indeed. It's China we need to worry about: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies?srnd=premium
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