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(Opinion) Socialism is not scary
« on: February 25, 2016, 1906 UTC »
From my opinion column this week from Rowan University's newspaper.

Politics, over the last decade, have made an unprecedented, polarizing shift. The party lines of Democrats and Republicans have become more and more distinct. The election of 2012 saw the beginnings of that polarization and now, four years later, that polarization is front and center in the 2016 presidential campaign.

Trump has emerged as the leader of the Republican Party, while the Democrats are still tied between two distinctly different candidates: Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, with Sanders leading the progressives of the party. Sanders and his campaign are truly important and significant in terms of American politics. As many know, Sanders is a Democratic Socialist and for some, that seems worrisome. Let’s delve into this a little bit further and see why Sanders is so significant and why the word “socialist” has become so scary to some Americans.

Ever since the 1950s, socialism and communism have earned the connotation of “dirty words,” which are threats to the American way of life, and there are some good reasons for that. Soviet Premier Joseph Stalin, the Kim Jong Un Regime in North Korea, Chairman Mao Zedong, Pol Pot and Fidel Castro were brutal dictators who killed millions and millions in their countries while enforcing communist and socialist policies.

For those who believe socialism is a viable way to run an economy, the bloody history of socialism makes it very difficult for these people to openly admit they feel that way. Although, there are a few other factors at play here. One of them is the total lack of education about socialism and where it came from, as taught in American public schools.

Socialism has been extremely popular here in America, so much so that in 1912 Eugene V. Debs garnered over nine-hundred thousand votes running as a member of the Socialist Party of America. Perhaps more astonishing, the labor movements in America were partially framed around socialist philosophies, such as the weekend, the 40-hour work week and many other labor regulations. Now, these policies are “just how it is,” and are, in reality, socialist policies. Again, the issue is that the core principles of socialism are not taught in public schools, because people would be upset if one were to teach the reality of the matter, which is that socialism is and has been alive and well in this country.

You can attribute the demonization of socialism in America to one man: Joseph McCarthy. From 1947 to 1957, the Republican senator from Wisconsin used his power in the Senate to spread lies and deceit for political gain—something I think we’re fairly used to now. The strategies used, known today as “McCarthyism,” spread across the country and painted communists as the new enemy of democracy.

Think about it. During World War II, the Soviets fought alongside us against the Nazis. From the USSR’s formation in 1922 and through the late forties they were our friends, and we did not have much against them. Certainly the philosophies of socialism were not a problem for most Americans before the fifties, but once McCarthy came around, that all clearly changed. This still remains true to this day, although thankfully disdain for socialism is lowering daily. The literal definition of McCarthyism is (according to Webster’s Dictionary) “the use of tactics involving personal attacks on individuals by means of widely publicized indiscriminate allegations especially on the basis of unsubstantiated charges.” McCarthyism is, simply put, lying!

So the fact that he was able to convince millions of Americans that socialism was bad based on no concrete facts at the time is insane, but oddly, not too hard to believe in this day in age.

Sanders has done something today that seemed unimaginable just ten years ago. He is an open Democratic Socialist and has a very good chance of beating Hillary Clinton, one of the most powerful people in the country. Many people in my generation of millennials have done research into the actual ideas behind socialism as an economic policy, and a huge portion of us agree with it. Sanders has done the impossible, which is to undemonize socialism and reverse the lies that McCarthy spread over sixty years ago.
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Re: (Opinion) Socialism is not scary
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2016, 0120 UTC »
Many people in my generation of millennials have done research into the actual ideas behind socialism as an economic policy, and a huge portion of us agree with it.

It seems to me that most of the "research" source material comes from the University echo chamber.  But fine, if socialism is what you want, I will not fight with you.  As a senior citizen, I have now transformed into an "eater" - and my only "productive" pursuits are some weekly donated time at local charitable functions, some home gardening, and some radio pirating.  I no longer produce, I just use.  However atrain, you and your millennial friends are entering the workforce now, and will be producers for several decades to come.  I'm happy that you're happy.  Now get your a$$ back to work -  I need another pack of Depends!

I do see a problem coming on the horizon however.  Incentives matter.  And disincentives matter.  And socialism sends the wrong signals.  Hopefully the slowing production will not eventually reach a crisis point because that's when all the dictatoring and all the murdering starts.  Of course the freshly scrubbed "gentle" history probably disagrees with that premise but it greatly scares me nonetheless.  Not for my sake because by then I'll be taking my dirt nap.  It scares me for the sake of YOUR generation.  But since you folks WANT this, then I guess you should be able to have it.  So here's the keys.  Good luck atrain and I hope that all of you last long enough to see your "eater years"... 73
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Re: (Opinion) Socialism is not scary
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2016, 0247 UTC »
Well see, a good debate and flow of ideas is all I ask. And luckily for me, there are people with dissenting opinions who also like to hold a good and researched debate. I am not fully on board with socialism- only democratic socialism, as I find it to be a good balance between full capitalism and full socialism.

The protection of our first amendment right to freedom of speech, expression, religion, and protest need to be guarded with our lives. Free speech is the most important right I believe we have. I'll be damned if I see that destroyed.

I also feel though that we need some economic change. It's just the opinion of an idealistic 19 year old. You all were once that too lol
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Re: (Opinion) Socialism is not scary
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2016, 0308 UTC »
Pretty well said, A-Train.  But...

McCarthy railed against Socialism as an underground Communism.  Sympathizers who could have lended support to Stalin and Kruschev.  It died in the sixties, as the stories came out as to who he had ruined.

Pure Socialism, tends to remove the impetus and drive to develop new things.  It kills ambitions.  Capitalism thrives on drive and greed and ambition.

The secret is to blend the two.

You apparently kept ur mind awake and aware in PoliSci.

Way to go Train.

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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2016, 1352 UTC »
The protection of our first amendment right to freedom of speech, expression, religion, and protest need to be guarded with our lives. Free speech is the most important right I believe we have. I'll be damned if I see that destroyed.  I also feel though that we need some economic change.

I'm in complete agreement with you on that atrain - but the libertarian in me bristles at the notion of elites and their planning when it comes to the economy.  Unca Billy touched on an important point, that of moderation and balance.  The way I see it, the right to generate wealth (as opposed to making money) is not only a freedom of expression, but also comes down squarely in the realm of "the pursuit of happiness".  Wealth creation is the province of the private economy.  The government cannot generate wealth - but can only take it away - by force; and then redistribute it.  I point to the Obama administration and their seven plus years of playing regulatory "whack-a-mole" with wealth creators.  Then they scratch their heads and blame the previous administration for the lackluster economy.  Lame.  Austan Goolsbee bailed out and retreated back behind the ivy covered walls where economic theories actually work, but the remaining necromancers are too arrogant to admit defeat - so they continue to flail away.  That horrendous sound is the undercarriage scraping the road berm and the wheels beating the ditch.  I'd hate to see us going even further off the road but as I said in the previous post, I'm out of it now.  It's up to you and yours to drive the country.  I can only wish you well.

I'm happy to see that you're an opinionated 19 year old who believes in a free discourse of ideas, atrain.  I'm an opinionated 60 year old that believes the same... 73

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Re: (Opinion) Socialism is not scary
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2016, 1715 UTC »
It really makes no difference what form of government one chooses, what does make the difference is that if the form of government that is chosen is 'fair' to all their people. But most tend to stay with the government that they 'feel' most comfortable with.

"Fair to all their people"? Considering the diversity of individuals, on both sides of the coin, perhaps that is a bit fanciful at best.  A bit impossible really and knowing men and women as they are, an ideal that will never happen.

Everyone, to some degree or less, is corrupt and that goes even more so for those that seek power in government.  They do what they do to enrich themselves, nothing more and nothing less.  To most 'enrich' means to gain money or possessions but not always. To some to be rich is to have a higher standing than others in a community or Country such as a moralist, activist etc.  Higher standing could be considered a form of discrimination. Hmmm.

Motive!  Motive equals control and control means turning your life over to another or the, "Let George Do It" effect, I am too busy to be bothered, call it what you might, it is your blood that will be running, literally and/or figuratively speaking.

Politics is nothing more than conducting the same experiment over and over again expecting to see a different outcome.  The variables never really change now do they?

A very great thinker said something like that once, I paraphrased it a bit, please excuse me.  But using that same logic leads me to believe that politics equals insanity.  Therefore following a 'Party Line' also equals insanity.

Please do not take offense to anything I have placed forward in this short document.

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Re: (Opinion) Socialism is not scary
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2016, 1837 UTC »
The "democratic socialism" as espoused by Bernie Sanders is little more than FDR-New Deal liberalism, and does not include government ownership of business/industry essential to real "socialism".  Actual socialists have publicly explained how Bernie Sanders is not one.

Part of the confusion should be layed at the door of the Republican party, who have habitually labeled Democratic programs and candidates as "socialists" all the way back to the 1930s.  By their definition, Ronald Reagan was a socialist, since he signed legislation to make sure that the horrible socialist program "Social Security" would continue long into the future.

Bernie Sanders appears more "leftist" now, only because the Democratic party has been dragged so far to the right over the past thirty years.

Now, I'll go back to waiting for those socialist snowplows to show up.


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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2016, 2317 UTC »
The "democratic socialism" as espoused by Bernie Sanders is little more than FDR-New Deal liberalism, and does not include government ownership of business/industry essential to real "socialism".  Actual socialists have publicly explained how Bernie Sanders is not one.
Part of the confusion should be layed at the door of the Republican party, who have habitually labeled Democratic programs and candidates as "socialists" all the way back to the 1930s.  By their definition, Ronald Reagan was a socialist, since he signed legislation to make sure that the horrible socialist program "Social Security" would continue long into the future.
Bernie Sanders appears more "leftist" now, only because the Democratic party has been dragged so far to the right over the past thirty years.
Now, I'll go back to waiting for those socialist snowplows to show up.

Well Said. @ least some of you are doing your homework.

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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2016, 0333 UTC »
I'm sure the folks who've lived with a 90 percent tax rate are happy with it.
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