This forum: European SW pirate/private stations

[Radio Parade]

Since the board is 'HF' Underground, its debatable whether MF stations should be included at all; However, my feelings on the forums is that the Euro pirates should have their (our) own forum. We are totally distinct from the low power licensed private stations that some countries allow.

I believe there are enough of them to have their own forum, or maybe a sub-forum under a broadcast station main forum.

Pirates should be separate though - our parlous legal state and the situation where many of us cannot or do not maintain regular schedules does, I believe, make us more sought-after for DXers. So it would be disadvantageous for readers to have to sort through a mixed legal and non-legal forum.

H.

Don't agree with anything above.

I think Harmony does have valid points, to be honest

[dxace1]

The more specific the page is the better -- I would favor a separate list for European "AM/MW" pirates.

[Misti-Radio]

Good evening. It's OK for me now.

[texas1dxer]

I've yet to see anyone state a clear, logical reason to include private European stations in this forum.

With Stiig's list, it's easy to ID the private stations.  This wasn't always the case.

A few guidelines about posting loggings in this forum are probably in order.  Something like these just for starters:

1.  Pirate stations broadcasting from a commercial or private station's transmitter (Channel 292 or Shortwave Service, for example) shouldn't be reported here.
2.  Pirate stations relayed by other pirate stations should be reported here.

We have a forum where the European low-power private and commercial stations can be reported, leaving this one for pirate stations only.

[Harmony]

I agree. This should be pirates only.

Small private stations can have their own.

H

[Ray Lalleu]

All old European pirate MW loggings
that were in this forum since 01 JAN 2022
have been moved to a new forum.

European MW Pirate Radio

The moves include the Serbian and Russian stations, up to a bit above 3000 kHz


No 'MOVED' posts about those old loggings, only about the newer moves if needed.

[Shortwave_Listener]

Good evening Ray, Why ??

Because a new board has been created: https://www.hfunderground.com/board/index.php/board,46.0.html

[Misti-Radio]

I see on Discord MW reports  Strange

[Shortwave_Listener]

I see on Discord MW reports  Strange

I disagree, this is a great event. Technically, MW stations were never supposed to be logged on this board, or anywhere on the HFU. They were logged here because there was nowhere else to put them. It created disorganization by mixing two completely distinct types of stations and it discouraged people from logging them at all. Now there is a dedicated place here on the HFU for them which creates more organization and encourages more people to log them. A vote was held to determine if this new board would be created and the vast majority voted in favour of creating the new board.

[kris]

    And cool - finally we know where to write about these stations!

[Harriku]

This is a good move!
There are a lot of Dutch, Greek, Balkan and Russian pirates over 1600 kHz and also around MW.

I visited several Greek pirates on year 2006 in Larissa. They really have big voltages!
Later I made a visit to many Serbian pirates in 2008.

Here is a page of Larissa-visit in Greece: http://www.harriku.com/larissa.htm

Harri Kujala, Naantali, SW FInland

[Shortwave_Listener]

This is a good move!
There are a lot of Dutch, Greek, Balkan and Russian pirates over 1600 kHz and also around MW.

I visited several Greek pirates on year 2006 in Larissa. They really have big voltages!
Later I made a visit to many Serbian pirates in 2008.

Here is a page of Larissa-visit in Greece: http://www.harriku.com/larissa.htm

Harri Kujala, Naantali, SW FInland

I have seen your website, it is excellent! Did you ever find more information about the Russian pirates? We have had a lengthy discussion about them here and still not come up with a lot of information: https://www.hfunderground.com/board/index.php/topic,103600.0.html

[Harriku]

About Russian pirates. I can hear those stations daily with huge signals.
I have  never contacted any and these days I do not want to hear Russian language at all.
They do the same QSO-work with each other but also play music.
They use stations names like Planeta, Kurier, Proton ,Galavok and very often they give the city-location.
They mostly operate around 1700 kHz and 3000 - 3100 kHz and these days rarely go down to 1650 kHz etc.
I have not looked the discussions in the forums here about Greek, Serbian and Russian, but I will do it later.

[Shortwave_Listener]

All loggings of Mediumwave pirates back to 1 January 2022 have now been moved to the new forum.

[fox558]

Since the board is 'HF' Underground, its debatable whether MF stations should be included at all; However, my feelings on the forums is that the Euro pirates should have their (our) own forum. We are totally distinct from the low power licensed private stations that some countries allow.

I believe there are enough of them to have their own forum, or maybe a sub-forum under a broadcast station main forum.

Pirates should be separate though - our parlous legal state and the situation where many of us cannot or do not maintain regular schedules does, I believe, make us more sought-after for DXers. So it would be disadvantageous for readers to have to sort through a mixed legal and non-legal forum.

H.

Harmony does have a point that I agree with. Pirates have to deal with aerials falling down often, activity from the authorities, power cuts, homebrew failing equipment and all manner of problems related to that mode of operation and typically run low power for only a few hours a week or day. It is a bigger catch for the DXer than a legal SW transmission that does not have any of these problems - no matter if the programmes are a former pirate relayed by a legal 6160 etc. Pirates should be kept seperate.

On the other hand I take the point that the line is blurred between pirates and legals as Ray says. The solution, if not making a new legal section, is to specify in the logs that the transmission is legal, with (Licenced TX) or something.