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Author Topic: 3840 khz Bootlegger Net & Jammers (LSB) 05:30 UTC  (Read 9748 times)

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Re: 3840 khz Bootlegger Net & Jammers (LSB) 05:30 UTC
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2019, 1254 UTC »
Sadly, this type of behavior goes way back.

http://forum.near-fest.com/index.php?topic=1030.0

Someone once told me that the local hams liked having the one repeater being a “waterhole” for these cretins....it kept them off of all the other repeaters.

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Re: 3840 khz Bootlegger Net & Jammers (LSB) 05:30 UTC
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2019, 2208 UTC »
Me thinks they call it the "Renegade" repeater. You can pick it up on the police scanner apps for phones. I could only take about 5 minutes worth, then I turned it off. The local CB channel wars of the late 80's and early 90's were more mature than those guys.


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Re: 3840 khz Bootlegger Net & Jammers (LSB) 05:30 UTC
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2019, 0531 UTC »
This crap has been part of the amateur radio subculture for as long as I can remember which is the 1980s when I started listening to shortwave radio and by extension amateur radio. This goes back actually further into the 1970s but I was only a young snot back then when there was a fair share of lids and assorted morons on HF from what I have been told. I came to age around the time that the famous 3894.5/3898/3901/14313 khz radio wars were going strong during the late 1980s early 1990s or at least to where I was getting close to graduating HS etc. I remember the first time hearing this crap was on a DX-440 Radio Shack receiver aka Sangean ATS-803 build with a Rat Shack label on it.

Back in those days you had Big "Al" Abernethy K4OKA versus "Porkbutt" Rich Whiten that had daily and nightly disputes on the middle of the 75 meter band around 3894.5 to 3901 with the poor guys on 3898 in the middle. Actually some of the material that people came up with actually quite funny including the famous "Porkbutt" song or Rich Whiten in response referring to the guys on 3894.5 as White Trash in America home of losers, boozers, bigots, etc. This also carried onto the 14.313 frequency on the 20 meter band back then and some of those alligators are still around although many of them have passed on and a new crop of lesser intelligent cretins took over. I won't name any names of the current morons but its some of the same old cast like Dumb Donnie, Jimmy O'Brainless, Fred, Detective Tom the ex-cop that got a big fine back a couple of years ago and others.

The old 3894.5/390/14313 had people like Rambo Dan, Porkbutt, Oris, Gerry, Pigpen Pete, Rube and Bill Irwin who got busted by the FCC for jamming under the moniker Raincoat Charlie, etc and then the other side was Airplane Bob TR, Jimmy Dale Polly Parrot, Billy Jack, Dumb Donnie, Jimmy O'Brainless Frankie the unlicensed operator, Big Al (his grandfather) who gave him the equipment to jam. It was a cacophony of jamming in double sideband since K4OKA opened up his FT-1000 MP and was using as much as 10,000 watts to beam his Porkbutt song all over 75 meters along with music, jamming tapes, rants, and various participants going at each other.

So in essence nothing has really changed only participants and maybe worse language than what was heard during the 1980s to mid 2000s on 75 meters and by extension 20 meters. In fact, now I think its actually spread more since 7200 khz is sometimes a real foul place to hang out along with the 3840 groups and of course 14.313 still has some of the same morons or new ones coming to age and most of them are retiring or getting older with more time on their hands to stir the pot.

If you had been there in the 1988 to 2005 time frame you would have been amazed at the trouble these guys in many cases went to in order to jam and create mayhem on 75 meters. It did finally calm down some when K4OKA got off the air and Porkbutt WB2OTK turned in his license but eventually even the miscreants came back and of course the rantings of an unnamed Western Canada stations on 20 meters contributed to the problem.
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Re: 3840 khz Bootlegger Net & Jammers (LSB) 05:30 UTC
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2019, 0545 UTC »
Riley Hollingsworth was a bit of a stabilizing influence but even he couldn't totally clean up the mess on 75 meters and 20 meters because he was still dealing with the aforementioned characters along with Glenn B who was running a daily news net on 14.275 and breaking various FCC rules. Laura Smith didn't really fare any better and if she is still in the fray she has done next to nothing on 3.840 and thereabouts. Some other frequencies that were wild back in the day was 3843, 3853, 3865 but many of those participants and others are gone now as well or well advanced in age since most of them were in their 40s and 50s during the 1980s and 1990s.

As far as the current crop goes, its been a problem going on several years with that frequency of 3.843 and there seems to be a bunch of largely Western US stations mostly in the 6 and 7 call areas that are usually cussing each other out. At least one good thing comes out of that is that as long as they all get drunk and stupid they can stay on there and make a mess of one frequency instead of the whole band. That gives real amateur operators that take their privileges seriously the rest of the area from 3600 to 4000 and use it accordingly without needing to get involved with the 3843 mess.

Every once in a while the FCC sends out a nice big fine to someone that is flagrantly violating the rules and regulations but even so there are far more rulebreakers than US Marshals to collect the equipment with FCC agents so they send out NALs first and then might take action later. Much of the time they don't collect on the NAL because of the operator pleading poverty or its not always worth the hassle or trouble or the courts etc. The Feces aka FCC is much more interested in chasing down FM pirates in various states that often aren't a major problem only with the exception of they cut into the profit margins of the local government approved stations and we all know that IHeart media and Clear Channel, Entercomm, Cumulus, Emmis and the like. That's generally the only real reason the Feces goes after FM pirates unless they are running a dirty signal and throwing spurious emissions into the FM band and Air Band from 108 to 137 Mhz.
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Re: 3840 khz Bootlegger Net & Jammers (LSB) 05:30 UTC
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2019, 2021 UTC »
My gf at the time hated HAM radio to a great degree, one night she heard the shenanigans ongoing 3898 and laughed her ass off with me, then she understood at least some of the endearment of HAM radio and the various personalities involved. I have a vid of the original artist singing the porkbutt song somewhere, will have to dig it up and post.


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Re: 3840 khz Bootlegger Net & Jammers (LSB) 05:30 UTC
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2019, 0225 UTC »
"My gf at the time hated HAM radio to a great degree, one night she heard the shenanigans ongoing 3898 and laughed her ass off with me, then she understood at least some of the endearment of HAM radio and the various personalities involved. "

I've had the same thing happen to me ;-)

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Re: 3840 khz Bootlegger Net & Jammers (LSB) 05:30 UTC
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2019, 2132 UTC »
There's even a 440 repeater in socal that carries much the same bunch with the same repertoire. Can't recall the freq but they're famous for having fcc investigations and so on.

You have a vfo, roll it somewhere else lest you become tainted.

I don't know about 440, but the 147.435 is a long standing generator of complaints.

And while there are definitely some illegal things that go on, you have to remember that some things you hear are bad form, inconsiderate, childish, crude, and unpleasant...but not illegal.

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Re: 3840 khz Bootlegger Net & Jammers (LSB) 05:30 UTC
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2019, 2146 UTC »
"As far as the current crop goes, its been a problem going on several years with that frequency of 3.843..."

Colonel, thanks so much for the radio history, some great stories there.

I heard someone (maybe K0AX?) on 3840 say that ten plus years ago, Art Bell was known to hang out on 3840, in the saloon.

But as you say it goes way further back.
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Re: 3840 khz Bootlegger Net & Jammers (LSB) 05:30 UTC
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2019, 2241 UTC »
On the Glenn B deal, I supported him.
If the a double ar el can do it why can't someone else?
This is called selective enforcement and is against the law.

If someone's on the arrl cw (or fsk) freq before it fires up, too bad so sad, the arrl will not be stopped by mere courtesy, those kw will fly forth regardless.
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