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1696
Other / Re: Ditter Network 1700UTC 14Jun13
« on: June 15, 2013, 0044 UTC »
j, see my post here:

http://www.hfunderground.com/board/index.php/topic,11430.0.html

I hit on 15550 kHz at about 1710 UTC myself, and then found the other freqs I list.  I did not go from an old list although that might have been a smarter way to start.

T!

1697
HF Beacons / Ditter network, multiple frequencies, June 14, 2013
« on: June 14, 2013, 2002 UTC »
All,

It looks like one of the past mystery ditter networks is active again.

Starting at about 1710 UTC I noticed a ditter on 15550 kHz that looked familiar.  The pulses were about 124 msec long and the pulse spacing was 6.0 seconds.  This pulse width and spacing is twice what one of the past ditter networks used, so the search was on.

I found ditters on 10050, 10575, 13250, 13325, 13875, 14400, 15100, 15550, 15625, 16000, 16725, 17475, 17975, 18050, 18625, and 19300 kHz.  They all appear to be between 20 and 38 Hz low in frequency.

The dits do not look simultaneous, but rather they appear sequenced, from low freq to high freq, so that it pulses one freq and then moves up to the next one.  From holes in the timing I am probably missing a few frequencies, I will look closer at the wideband recordings later and see if I can find them.

At this time (2000 UTC) the pulses all appear to still be up, but if past history is an indicator they will not stay up long, I am suprised they have been up this long.

T!

(edit)  Off air 2145 UTC.  Other frequencies found before the signal went off were 11025, 11150, 11225, 11300, 12025, and 13350 kHz.  Based on the signal strength and timing of the 13325 and 13350 kHz signals there might have been more than one network active with those two freqs being in seperate networks.

1698
Other / Re: Strange Signal on 14435 kHz
« on: June 13, 2013, 0040 UTC »
No, it is absolutely not a satellite transmission.  In the first place satellites do not, in general, use HF, and when they do it is generally a higher frequency (above 20 MHz in general).  And in the second place I know what it is, as would many on this board, lets just see if I can get the answer typed first. ;-)

This is a 850 Hz shift FSK signal, 50 or 75 bd (not running software to measure it right now).  It is a form of RTTY.  This is almost certainly encrypted (most of the 850 Hz stuff is).  It is sometimes referred to as STANAG 4481.

This is very possibly US Navy NPM, Lualualei, Hawaii, as they are known to use a frequency very close to this, and your example is slightly mistuned.

T!

1699
Got word from Antonio EA5GTI on june 10: "Now on 16.920 khz Firedrake Jammer with some fadding but readable." not sure of the time tho.

So the Firedrake is still out there...

73 Vince KA1IIC

It is on air every day, but at a greatly reduced rate form before April 20, 2013.

T!

1700

RE: CODAR bandwidth -- from looking at the CODAR SDR shot on Wikipedia (taken by a ham -- it looks like it was a CODAR intrusion into the 20 meter ham band) it appears that CODAR sweeps are about 20 khz wide?  Is this pretty standard for most CODARS?

Sorry I missed this before.

There is no “standard” swept bandwidth for CODAR.  There are some general guidelines as to what you might expect to see.  In general the lower the frequency of operation the narrower the swept bandwidth.  I have seen CODAR use anything from 12 kHz to over 200 kHz and I have no idea what their real limitations are.

Around the 5 MHz region I typically see about 26 kHz, up around 13 MHz I typically see about 50 MHz., and up around 25 MHz I often see 100 kHz.  On the other hand, I have also seen 24 kHz in the 25 MHz area, so as I said the “narrower at lower freqs” is just a rough guideline.

Sweep rates are generally between 0.5 and 4 sweeps per second.  Chirp rate (pulse compression) will be sweep rate times bandwidth.

Many CODAR run 24 hours a day, others cycle on and off at different times.

Some pictures of various CODAR:

This is two interleaved CODAR centered on 4550 kHz.  They are both the same width and they stay in sync (probably GPS timing based), this way they do not interfere with each other despite occupying the same frequency range.  The width measures out at about 26 kHz.


The above 2 CODAR can be seen operating here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OF-yhrtqKo

This is a CODAR centered on 12190 kHz.  It is about 52 kHz wide.  Another can be seen to the left of the one in question, it is also roughly 52 kHz wide.


And last is a CODAR centered on 13500 kHz, with a width of about 150 kHz.


CODAR, ionospheric sounders, and “real” radar (radars looking for man made and moving targets, such as ships and aircraft, or rapidly changing natural features, such as weather) are all radar and often use identical techniques.  But I typically break them out into CODAR, sounders, and radar, and speak about them as if they are not all “radar” to reduce confusion.

CODAR sweep relatively wide (compared to “real” radars) and relatively slowly because their target set is slow moving and such a technique lowers equipment cost.  Sounders typically either sweep or sample (two different things) even more slowly than CODAR because the sounders target set changes even more slowly than a CODARs target set.

On one hand the sweep rate determines maximum unambiguous range for an unencoded FMCW waveform when applied to a radar or CODAR.  The slower the sweep rate, for a given swept width, of an FMCW radar the greater the possible unambiguous range.  However, a sweep rate of about 7 times a second yields a possible unambiguous range that could stretch all the way around the World.  So the typical CODAR sweep rate of 1 sweep per second would yield a range of over 7 times the distance around the World, but CODAR typically looks at data at 300 km or closer.  In other words the sweep rate of the CODAR, unlike “real” radars, has nothing to do with maximum unencoded and unambiguous range, and more to do with target set velocity and cost of the technology.

“Real” radars sweep faster because they are designed for a realistic maximum range, based on detection thresholds (how small a target RCS, Radar Cross Section, that can be tracked at a given range, a complex relationship, search “radar range equation” for an introduction), technology, and probable propagation in the frequency range of the hardware.  If the desired maximum range is 6000 km than a sweep rate of 25 Hz would be used (and 50 Hz yields a maximum of 3000 km).  Of course, a lower sweep rate (say 10 Hz) would also yield at least that range (10 Hz yielding a max possible range of 15000 km), but at the cost of illuminating the target less often, lowering the probability of detection.

Several other factors define the width swept and chirp rate (pulse compression), based on the performance of the desired target set.  But, this post is long enough already ;-)

T!

1701
There has been a definite change in operating habits for the Firedrake, but it does still appear to be in very limited use.

Firedrake does appear to still exist, but at greatly reduced activity.  Prior to April 19 it was common to see it on 8 to 18 frequencies at any one time.  For the past month I have never seen more than 2 transmissions simultaneously, and often only 1.  And even that seems to happen fewer times a day than past Firedrake activities.

Today at 1125 UTC I found Firedrake hitting Radio Taiwan Int. on two frequencies, 9680 and 7385 kHz.  On both frequencies not only Firedrake was hitting RTI but also the CNR 1 audio jammer was hitting both of those freqs.

T!

1702
This morning Firedrake was active on 11825 kHz from 1100 to after 1215 UTC (had to leave for work at that time).  Also heard on freq was the Echo CNR 1 jammer.  I suspec they were jamming VOA in Chinese.  No other Fredrakes found here during that time period, and I did look ;)

T!

1703
Spy Numbers / Re: 6.7390 USB 2330 5 June 2013
« on: June 05, 2013, 0342 UTC »
In general these messages probably best fit in “Utilities”, like most military comms will.

The multi TX site configuration here is only to give World wide coverage on HF, not for any ECM or anti targeting capability.

Yes, the messages do vary in length, I have heard them with as few as less than 10 characters to as many as over 300.  There is another kind of message referred to in the hobby community as a “Skyking”, and they can be very short.  Also, not all coded messages are “EAM” or “Skyking”, other messages can be similarly coded and sound very much alike, so hobbyist have pretty much just adopted “EAM” for any of these messages that do not contain the phrase “Skyking”.

Also the number of messages a day varies.  They do not occur in any set intervals, and you might have 10 of them back to back or you might have one an hour.

These messages, or similar to them, have been around a long time.  I don’t remember when I heard the first, but I want to say it was back in the Main Sail days, probably late 70’s or early 80’s.  Even the freqs then were pretty close to the same as today.  In the 60’s I remember signals something like this, but different.

T!

1704
Spy Numbers / Re: 6.7390 USB 2330 5 June 2013
« on: June 05, 2013, 0134 UTC »
This station is not a numbers station, but rather it is a transmission, possibly called an EAM (Emergency Action Message), on the HF-GCS (High Frequency Global Communications System) network.  These transmissions are frequently misidentified by people who have never heard them before as a numbers station.  This network is maintained by the US AF, but any US force has access to and can use the HF-GCS.  The “young-ish male” is probably a US Air Force enlisted person.

There are multiple frequencies used by these periodic messages, and typically each message is transmitted on all frequencies simultaneously.  Other freqs to monitor are 4724, 6739, 8992, 11175, 13200 and 15016 kHz (there are others also, those are probably the most active and easily heard in your area).

The signal strength you heard does not necessarily indicate high power.  The network has multiple transmitters around the World, and all transmitters, or selected sub-sets, can be used at the same time.  There are 4 transmitter sites in the continental US, as well as others outside the US, any, or several, of which you might have been hearing.

And that leads us to the long path echo.  It was almost certainly not long path echo.  Two things happen, the same audio is transmitted from multiple locations around the World at the same time.  You might hear more than one site at your location at one time.  So, the propagation time difference between the stations you are hearing will make an echo much like long path.  However, the echos on the HF-GCS network can be greater than the maximum long path time possible, i.e. longer than a complete path around the World.  The longest possible time delay around the World is roughly 134 msec, time delays on the HF-GCS can sometimes be in excess of 300 msec.

So, how might this longer than possible delay occur?  While I am not sure of the entire network infrastructure, I suspect that the audio that is sent to each transmitter station around the World is sent via a network (that part is indicated by documentation in the public domain).  Probably something similar to a VOIP type of a setup.  Network lag contributes to normal propagation distance delays, making longer delays than should be possible.

T!

1705
This station (HM01) started being used sporadically about 8 or 9 months ago.  About 6 months ago it became the primary Cuban numbers station and the others from Cuba faded in use.  Today the traditional voice Cuban station (V02) and its sister Morse station (M08) have not been heard in a while.  The traditional digital Cuban station (SK01) has not been heard since shortly after HM01 appeared.

By the way, all Spanish language stations (there have been several, although as far as I know only 2 remain, V07 and V21) are not Cuban in origin.  For example V07 is a Spanish language numbers station with a voice that sounds very similar to the Cuban V02 and HM01 stations, but uses a totally different format than either of those.  However V07 is believed to be from Russian intel origins, and generally is believed to be transmitted from Russian installations in Europe or the Far East.

T!

1706
Other / Re: Need Help Identifying This Beacon on 6320 kHz
« on: June 01, 2013, 0207 UTC »
That is indeed KLB WA.  WLO AL can be heard 1 kHz below it.  The radio says it is tuned to 6320 kHz, but it must be a case of the SSB tuning knob turned hard over to one side or something, KLB is actually on 6318 kHz center frequency (6317 kHz USB tuned freq for 1 kHz CW tones) and WLO is on 6317 kHz center frequency (6316 kHz USB tuned frequency for 1 kHz CW tones).

T!

1707
There are hundreds of locations around the World with CODAR, it is very, very, difficult to determine where any particular one you are hearing is coming from.  In some cases you can look at licensing and get an indication that might be what you are hearing, but only might be.  There is no one list of all CODAR, although you can often find lists of CODAR associated with specific universities and research coordinators.  In many cases the data from these systems can be accessed online.

Pretty much any place with a coastline might have CODAR these days, and CODAR is relatively low power, but because of the nature of HF propagation you might hear many CODAR even if you are far from any coast.

T!

1708
Spy Numbers / Re: AUSTRALIAN NUMBERS STATIONS
« on: May 30, 2013, 0027 UTC »
Well, you can't have heard all of them, V07 has not transmitted since I posted what I did...and when next it does it will be on an unknown frequency ;)

But, good deal that you heard something.  What specific ones did you hear?

T!

1709
Was the sweeper a regular, rythmic, sound (sweep, sweep, sweep, with a regular interval), or was it irregular?  If regular it was probably CODAR, and there are a several in that frequency range (from about 13365 to about 13580 kHz).  If the sweeper was irregular then I probably know the signal you are talking about, I have heard it, but have no idea what it is.  No one else I have talked to is sure what it is either, but there have been several suggestions.

A video of a CODAR (not the same freq, but they are similar):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW9dK8J5jRA


A screen shot of the irregular sweeper, both on a local receiver and on a remote receiver, in this case the remote was in Washington state:


T!

1710
Probably going to need either a little more detail, or a recording, to make much out of this.

You say “13 MHz region”, but that covers a lot of ground.  In that range are multiple CODARs and that could be the source of your beep every second or so.  These could also be the source of your “sweeping” sounds.  However, there are also single letter beacons, digital transmissions, RFID systems, frequency hopping sounders and radars, etc, all might fit with what you are describing.

T!

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