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1606
Utility / Re: Unid tones ? Any ideas?
« on: September 15, 2013, 0343 UTC »
Yes, these are the signals that Hugh Stegman called the “Snake Charmer Flute” or the “Magic Flute” in the August 2013 Monitoring Times.  Others have called it “Pipes of Pain” and “Pipes of Pan”.  I typically call it “Drifty MFSK”, or “Pipes”, in my notes, or sometimes the “HEB/WLO/WPG Oddness”.

This set of signals were originally associated with HEB in Europe and WLO in Alabama.  Later it was determined that the majority of these frequencies were licensed to WPG, Indiana.  I have bearing cuts on the signals at different times that support all three possible locations, so not much help there ;)

These signals, or ones related to them and on the same frequency set, showed up in my logs in Nov of 2012, however others had been watching them a few months by that time.  Between that time and now several waveforms have been used, the stepped MFSK is the currently used most common, however 22819 kHz most frequently shows what appears at first glance to be a swept signal, but is most often not actually swept.

The frequencies I have been able to tie together are (USB, to yield roughly the same audio frequency excursion for each signal, the actual “proper” tuned numbers are probably +/- 100 Hz):

14756
16926.5
16929
17299
17383
19281.5
22483.5
22819

The signals are often up on more than one frequency at a time, with 14756, 19626.5, and 17299 kHz being the most common.  Sometimes the audio on multiple frequencies are identical and in sync, other times it is unique audio on each freq and they are not in sync.  I generally find one or more of these frequencies in use every day.

This image shows an example of 4 of the frequencies in sync with the Drifty MFSK.  16926.5, 16929, 17299, and 17383 kHz are all shown here.  I have miss tuned each to result in a different audio frequency, so that the signal from each did not end up on top of the others.




If you build a spectrum with max hold of the Drifty MFSK signal you will find that most often it contains 32 steps, on well defined frequencies.  While it wanders around without apparent pattern it ends up hitting all of these freqs over time.  The following image is a 15 minute max hold, showing each frequency hit in that 15 minutes, all frequencies were hit many times in that time.




As I said, there is also what appears to be a swept signal that sometimes appears on all of these frequencies.  Very occasionally it is actually swept, the vast majority of the time it is simply stepped like the Drifty MFSK, but in sequence, low to high, and quickly, to give the illusion of a sweep to the eye and ear.

The “swept” signal looks like this on a waterfall:




But as I said, most often when seen like this it is not truly swept, but rather it is stepped quickly.  The same “swept” signal in the image above, when doing an audio histogram and a max hold, appears to have the same 32 steps that the drifty MFSK most often has.  The below is a 15 minute max hold of the swept signal above, ignore the note about the 4 dB of ripple, that turned out to be an artifact of the receiver used.  Note the sweep covers the same bandwidth (allowing for tuning errors) as the Drifty MFSK signal, and has the same number of steps.




This 32 step Drifty MFSK and Swept signal are not the only ones that might be seen on these frequencies, but they are currently the most commonly seen.  There is also a 64 step version of each (not seen in months now), and one of the swept signals is actually swept and not stepped.  There are also some more “data like” modes with faster FSKs and sometimes PSK components.

In my opinion few, if any, of the transmissions I have seen actually are data, I don't know what it is, but it probably ain't data.  The Swept signal is almost certainly no data, and is sent for hours at a time.  The Drifty MFSK does not seem to have any structure to it other than the 32 freqs it will hit.  It is hard to believe that these signals are on the air every day, and do not contain usable data, but it really does seem that way to me.  Just an opinion though, if someone finds something repeatable and convincing I will be glad to change my opinion.

T!

1607
North American Shortwave Pirate / Re: Red Mercury Labs 6930 USB 3:06 ut
« on: September 09, 2013, 0351 UTC »
OK RML, I am here ;)

And you are booming in, S8 or a little better.

(edit)  Sheesh, what was that? Peter Shillings German version of Major Tom?  Dude, don't throw that away, send that version to me, I need to add it to my MP3 player (wife says).

(edit 2)  Der Kommissar, Falco


T!

1608
North American Shortwave Pirate / Re: Unid 6925 U 1205 Sept 7'13
« on: September 07, 2013, 1222 UTC »
I can tell there is music there, but the Chinese OTHR on frequency, at S9, makes it pretty much impossible to ID the song.

T!

1609
Other / Re: 6942 04:23z, data?
« on: September 07, 2013, 0501 UTC »
This is 75/850 FSK, encrypted.  Also called STANAG 4481 FSK.

T!

1610
September 7, 2013, 0250 UTC

So far UNIDed on 6925 USB, if I had to guess from the transmitter I would say it is Red Mercury Labs.  Signal came on air at 0247 UTC.  At first I thought it was RML, but after a few songs it became pretty clear it probably was not.

Signal is running S8 or a little better.

0256 UTC, Sonny and Cher, "A Cowboys Work is Never Done"
0301 UTC, The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly theme...seems to be a themed show, maybe not RML, still looks like it though
0305 UTC, maybe Soft Cell, "Meet Murder my Angel", not sure though, digging for that one
0309 UTC, Elvis "Devil in Disguise"
0312 UTC, Johnny Rivers, "Poor Side of Town", really does not seem like RML music, but I like it ;)
0315 UTC, "White Room", I think Joel Grey, but not sure
0317 UTC, some kind of theme and possible ID but I missed it
0318 UTC, Paul Revere and the Raiders, "Kicks"
0322 UTC, Vikki Carr, "It Must be Him"       Possible Movie connections?
0323 UTC, Stones, "Get Off Of My Cloud"

Through the transmission the low end has faded, now getting pretty tinny.  Also fading, at 0326 is only S5.

0326 UTC, Gerry and the Pacemakers, "Ferry Cross the Mersey"
0329 UTC, new song, but faded low enough I can't make it out
0336 UTC, Gene Pitney, "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance".  Signal is so weak I am only getting a few words.
0339 UTC, ID and Email, but far too weak to make them out

0342 UTC, Off, I never did get an ID, although I think one was sent 4 or 5 times.


T!

1611
Other / Re: Dashers 1744 UTC 6 Sep 2013
« on: September 06, 2013, 1929 UTC »
About one second every five seconds.

These are nominal frequencies. The exact frequencies are slightly less, such as 8289.78
I think around 1751 they switched, and some of the frequencies below are after the switch, as I went back and could not find some of the earlier frequencies.
In fact now the pattern is different - on one second every three seconds. No, it is not even always regular. Sometimes every two seconds, sometimes three. Strange.



I could not receive this network locally, had to use remotes to see it, and I came on late, so missed most of it.  I did have a look at it, but not as closely as I like to look at these kinds of networks.  I suspect this is an east coast source.

I tuned into this network at about 1812z.  At that time I could find 4 active frequencies, 8647, 8669, 8800, and 9065 kHz.  Sometime later I also saw 8540 and 9198 kHz, but have no idea if they were up the entire time or came up later.

The 4 grouped freqs, 8647, 8669, 8800, and 9065 kHz, were in sync with each other.  No two frequencies were ever on the air at the same time, but rather the pulses cycled through each frequency in turn.  At one point I noted the cycle as being 8647, 9065, 8669, then 8800, but I have no idea if that was used the whole time.

8540 and 9198 were NOT in the same cycle as the 4 grouped freqs, but I think they were in cycle with each other and they used the same pulse length and timing as the other freqs.

All transmissions used the same basic pulse length and time between pulses.  0.7 second long pulses and 5.6 seconds between pulses.  Chris, if you look at the ones that looked irregular to you (I saw the same thing) and if you only look at every other pulse on any given frequency you will find the 0.7 x 5.6 pattern, I believe those frequencies were being double pulsed.

Most of the frequencies I saw left the air about 1828z, and I did not find them on other freqs after a bit of a search.  8540 kHz, however, stayed on, as near as I can tell alone, until sometime after 1850.  I checked at 1850 and it was still up, I checked again at 1910 and it was not.

I logged locally what is probably this same network on Dec 19, 2012.  It used the 0.7 x 5.6 second pattern and the frequencies used then were 8669, 8799, 9198, 9479, 10200, and 10364 kHz.  Note the use of some of the same frequencies.  Time was 1335 to 1344 UTC.  At that time of the year it would have still been a mostly dark path from east coast to me on the west coast.

T!

1612
Other / Re: Long Dasher 6950 2102 UTC 4 Sep 2013
« on: September 05, 2013, 0159 UTC »
Interesting Chris, I have seen that, or another, 15 second spaced dasher before, however not on 6950 kHz.  A question, any way to confirm if it was right on 6950 kHz or might it have been a tenth or more off?

Now some interesting coincidences that might or might not have anything to do with this.  I am not claiming anything here, just mentioning some things I have seen and that showed up in my logs when I did a search on 15 seconds and dashes / “Pips”.

In the past there have been postings on the forums here about sometimes shorter dashers that I call “Pips” in my logbook.  Pulse lengths that I have seen have been from 0.063 sec to 1.5 seconds.  Pulse rep times have been from 3 to 10.5 seconds.  All frequencies have been very close to a full kHz step, i.e. 6920.0, 7800.0, 9050.0, etc.  The actual freqs have consistently run a few Hz low, but close enough that I think they are trying to hit full kHz increments.  All of these have been on multiple frequencies and cycled “up” in frequency.  I mean they start at the lowest freq, pulse, move to the next highest, pulse again, etc, until reaching the highest freq, and then restarting at the lowest.  They seem to use a pretty repeatable set of frequencies, and there is probably more than one source.

Several times I have also logged what I think of as “another” set of Pips.  These do not end in full kHz increments, a set often ending in XXXX.1 or XXXX.5 for example.  All of the frequencies in a given set seem to end in the same fraction, if one ends in .5 kHz they all do.  These Pips cycle down, i.e. starting at the highest frequency, pulsing, and moving to the next frequency down.  Most of these receptions have had pulse repetition times of more than the Pips that cycle down, up to 27 seconds, but with 15 seconds as the most common I have seen.

I have kind of lumped these Pips with the other above, even though the frequencies do not seem to be shared.  Primarily because of the cycling freq to freq, even though one cycles up and the other cycles down.

In the past (8/28/2013) I have seen a 15 second spaced dasher similar to the one you mention on the frequencies of 4563.5, 5361.5, 6908.5, 7547.5, and 8051.5 kHz.  These dashers were hitting each frequency, in sequence, working down in frequency, it was the “other” Pips.  They ended before I could find any more frequencies (was working up at the time), so there may, or may not, have been other freqs in use.  I say this was similar because while it was 15 seconds pulse to pulse like you said, the pulses were longer than you report, at 5.0 seconds.

Now, the freq of 8051.5 kHz is interesting.  This is one of the frequencies that was used by the “Homer Simpson” station back in January of this year and June of last year.  The Homer transmissions were also once each 15 seconds, and 5 seconds long, just like the pulses I had on 8/28.  The Homer transmission were also on multiple frequencies and cycling down in frequency, highest to lowest, just like the pulses on 8/28.

Dunno, just some random facts that might, or might not, be somehow related.  Nothing at all seems to really connect them, but the habits, propagation, and scarcity all  kind of make me feel at a gut level like they may be connected to each other.

T!

1613
HF Beacons / Re: Help for a newbie
« on: September 04, 2013, 1733 UTC »
Haven't gotten a reply, but figured I'd ask a few things here.

Give it time, not everyone checks theses forums 24/7.  I don’t know about others, but I typically hit the forums maybe 2 times a day max unless I am watching a specific thread.

You do not indicate your general location, but I will assume you are in the US and my answers will be predicated on that assumption.  Different nations have different requirements.

Do you always need a ham license to place a transmitter for a fox hunt type game?

The need, or not, for a license to place a transmitter will be driven by the service the transmitter is in.  If the transmitter operates within ham bands then a ham license will be needed and certain performance limitations and transmission requirements will need to be achieved.  If the transmitter is in a service that does not require a license, for example FRS, then a license is not needed (I do not know if the FRS regulations allow unattended operation, that is something that would need to be confirmed, just using FRS as an example).

A Part 15 legal transmitter would not require a license.

If this is not making sense to you, it might help to understand that the “regulations” that control radio transmissions are divided up into multiple parts, each part has separate requirements.  For example Ham radio and CB radio are not the same, and have different requirements.  As does Public Service radio, Family Radio Service, MURS, etc, etc.

How do you pick out a frequency to use? Can you make up your own? How many digits can you use?

The frequency of operation would be a function, again, of the particular service the transmitter is in.  Each service typically has bands the transmitters can operate in, with many services being specifically channelized, meaning you would have to be on one of the specified frequencies.  Using CB as an example you would be able to select from one of 40 channels in the 26965 kHz to 27405 kHz range.  Other services (ham radio, for example) would just give you a maximum and minimum frequency, and you can select any frequency between those points (within certain guidelines).

Please clarify what you mean by “How many digits can you use?”  26.965 MHz, 26965.0 kHz, and 26965000 Hz are all the same frequency, and are all CB channel 1.

I've seen these big antenna's, but are there small antenna's that can be used from a car and then on the ground while searching for the transmitter?

Antenna selection for Fox Hunting is a huge juggling act.  As a general rule the “size” of an antenna is a function of the frequency used.  However there are several compact designs that can be used for RFDF, assuming the user is willing to accept the performance limitations.

In other words, yes, you can probably find a small antenna to do what you want, but this is not a simple question, it cannot be answered quickly, easily, and with detail in few lines of information.  And based on your other questions I assume you do not have adequate background to understand the possible answers.  This last is not a slam on you in any way, I am only saying antennas for RFDF can range from very simple to get quite complex and antenna selection can be a balancing game of compromises, and you sound like you need more background before you can start to understand the factors.

Is it possible to monitor the transmitter from a home area far away to see if a team has found it?
 

The possibilities are only limited by your imagination, technical background, and the depth of your pockets.  If you wanted to, for example, you could absolutely put a camera monitoring the transmitter location, and monitor the site from any location you wanted.

T!

1614
North American Shortwave Pirate / Re: Unid 6925 USB 0348z 9/02/2013
« on: September 02, 2013, 0400 UTC »
Started out S9 or a little better when I first noticed it at 0336z, but faded after that, by 0352z was right down to the noise level.

0339z Echos of my Mind
0344z Girl From the City
0347z We'll Sing in the Sunshine
0353z To Sir, With Love

After that it faded too deep to make out songs.

Might have been an ID at about 0356z, but by then it was so low there was no way I was going to hear it.


T!

1615
Equipment / Re: HF in the car?
« on: September 01, 2013, 1756 UTC »
In both the SUVs that regularly get driven off-road I have HF, 160 meters to at least 70 cm, one has HF to 23 cm.  One has a Kenwood TS-480SAT for HF, and a Tarheel 300A.  The other has a Kenwood TS-2000X and again a Tarheel 300A.  Both of those setups work pretty well and I regularly monitor pirates and utilities from the vehicles.

In the wife’s SUV (never goes off-road ;) ) in addition to VHF/UHF I have HF RX also, in the form of an Icom R2500.  The HF antenna used is a Hamstick.  Normally the 40 meter Hamstick is the one that is on it, but sometimes one of the others.  This works, and is OK for casual listening, but really not optimal.

My Miata has an Icom R1500 to go along with the Yaesu FT-8900R, but the antenna used by the R1500 is a 42” whip, and leaves a lot to be desired on HF.  It does work, but rather like a portable.

T!

1616
S4 to S5 into the Mojave Desert, of California.  Would be pretty fair copy if the Chinese OTHR was not setting on freq aas it does every morning.  As it is I can tell when music is on or when the OP is talking, but that is about it.  ID at 1232 UTC faded up to solid copy during the ID.

Peskies in SS are setting on 6950 USB though, so I am listening in LSB to hear the audio.

T!

1617
That supposed "Black Magic Woman" at 0114 UTC sounded an awefull lot like "The Highwayman", by the Highwaymen ;)

Audio sounds a little pinched tonight for some reason, maybe just conditions.

T!

1618
Oh yeah!  Some William Shattner baby!

And thanks for the E-QSL the other day RML.

S9, as normal, in the Mojave Desert, making it through the lightning crashes and flash flooding.

T!

1619
Transmission looks just like RML, but the music is not his normal fare, at least I think not.  Or maybe it is just an 80's - 90's kind of thing tonight, so far everything is 1982 to 1992.

OK, stumped me, whatever song was after "Under the Milkyway" I have no idea what it is.

T!

1620
Other / Re: Pips network up, multiple freqs, 2152 UTC, Aug 26, 2013
« on: August 27, 2013, 0100 UTC »
Home now, I can start looking at the recordings.

It looks like both networks went off the air during the same cycle, roughly at 2312:40z.

T!


(edit)

Pips were on the air unbroken from 2152z (already in progress) until 2312:40z.  It looks as if both networks went off air within one 6 second cycle of each other.

Initial look at frequencies shows these active:
6225
6550
6725
6750
7700
8275
8825
8900
8975
9050
9225
10050
10450
10575
11025
11150 (2 pulses)
11225
11300
12025
12450
13250
13325
13500
13875
14400
15100
15400
15550
15625
16000
16350
16550
16725 (2 pulses)
17475
17650
17950
17975
18050
18100
18450
18625
19300

Most of these are the same as seen before.  There are one or two new ones.  I will check old recordings to see if they were always there and just noticed (most probable).  Frequencies did not extend as low or as high as they have in the past, but that could just be conditions.

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